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post #1 of 36 (permalink) Old 06-20-2006, 04:42 PM Thread Starter
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well i have had my bike for a few weeks with no problems but today i notcied something weird....i started her up and took the choke off around 120 and it started idling below 500 and then shut off it kept doing this until it was around 150 or so...

that is weird in and of itself but then when i would be riding coming to a stop in 3rd the bike would just stall for what seems no aparent reason? next time i was making sure i was fully pulling the clutch before putting it in N but then i pulled the clutch and bam the bike stalled again....it starts right back up but what the hell could be causing this?

i thought maybe its the carbs so i was thinkin to buy some carb cleaner and put it in with my next fill up but could it be the oil? or what?

any suggestions?
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post #2 of 36 (permalink) Old 06-20-2006, 09:43 PM
 
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How long do you have the choke on to reach 120? On my bike, I start it with the choke, put on my gloves, and take off. Two blocks away, I turn off the choke. The choke should only be used for starting, not for warming up an engine. Your plugs are probably fouled. And some gas may get past the rings into the oil.
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How long do you have the choke on to reach 120? On my bike, I start it with the choke, put on my gloves, and take off. Two blocks away, I turn off the choke. The choke should only be used for starting, not for warming up an engine. Your plugs are probably fouled. And some gas may get past the rings into the oil.
it takes a good bit for it to get warmed up...is it ok to drive the bike with the choke on? for a little bit obviously...and is it hard to change the plugs?
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I believe it is ill-advised to put carb cleaner in a motorcycle. Dont do it. I only keep my choke on for a minute or two. I have never ridden with it on. I dont know if this is "proper procedure" or not. I only use the choke if I have to.

And...you shouldn't be coming to a stop in 3rd. Learn to blip throttle and down shift.



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I believe it is ill-advised to put carb cleaner in a motorcycle. Dont do it. I only keep my choke on for a minute or two. I have never ridden with it on. I dont know if this is "proper procedure" or not. I only use the choke if I have to.

And...you shouldn't be coming to a stop in 3rd. Learn to blip throttle and down shift.
not coming to a stop but when i am in third ill be braking and downshift to second and usually it cuts off before i get from 2nd to N...what do you mean blip throttle? also i talked to speedwerks and they suggested the carb cleaner....why do you say not to do it?
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not coming to a stop but when i am in third ill be braking and downshift to second and usually it cuts off before i get from 2nd to N...what do you mean blip throttle? also i talked to speedwerks and they suggested the carb cleaner....why do you say not to do it?
If they suggest it then ok...they know more than I do. Thats just what I have heard.

Blipping throttle = rev matching the engine to road speed so your rear tire doesn't temporarily lock while it catches up to the speed of the engine. It's similar to heel-toe method of downshifting in a car. Clutch, throttle, brakes, downshift all being worked within milli-seconds of one another. It sounds cool and it makes you a much quicker rider.



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If they suggest it then ok...they know more than I do. Thats just what I have heard.

Blipping throttle = rev matching the engine to road speed so your rear tire doesn't temporarily lock while it catches up to the speed of the engine. It's similar to heel-toe method of downshifting in a car. Clutch, throttle, brakes, downshift all being worked within milli-seconds of one another. It sounds cool and it makes you a much quicker rider.

i also noticed a slight backfire sound when im slowing down so i talked to my dad he knows a guy who has a mechanic shop for cars that knows about bikes too so im gonna take it to him before the carb cleaner and see if he can diagnose the problem...
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It could be a few different things here....
Most likely like NW said your plugs are fouled, however you may need to re-adjust your idle also.
It may be time for a carb sync

also when you start your bike from a cold start, use full choke, however once it's running, slowly back that choke off until it's running on it's own without the choke on at all.
When I had a carb'd bike I only had that choke on for about 30 seconds or less, if it needed more time to warm up, I still backed it off until the choke was not needed anymore.
I never once fouled out a set of plugs in that bike!
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It could be a few different things here....
Most likely like NW said your plugs are fouled, however you may need to re-adjust your idle also.
It may be time for a carb sync

also when you start your bike from a cold start, use full choke, however once it's running, slowly back that choke off until it's running on it's own without the choke on at all.
When I had a carb'd bike I only had that choke on for about 30 seconds or less, if it needed more time to warm up, I still backed it off until the choke was not needed anymore.
I never once fouled out a set of plugs in that bike!
im about to use the bike so im gonna time about how long it takes before i can fully put the choke in until it doesnt need it but im gonna guess maybe 5-7 minutes

i will probably take it to my dads buddy and if he cant figure it out ill just take the road trip to speedwerks and have them fine tune it all up
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im about to use the bike so im gonna time about how long it takes before i can fully put the choke in until it doesnt need it but im gonna guess maybe 5-7 minutes

i will probably take it to my dads buddy and if he cant figure it out ill just take the road trip to speedwerks and have them fine tune it all up
Honda's are cold natured, even after running all day...however it should not take 5-7 minutes for the choke to be on to warm the thing up!
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Honda's are cold natured, even after running all day...however it should not take 5-7 minutes for the choke to be on to warm the thing up!
ok well it took about 3 minutes to get up to about 130 and even then when i took the choke off the needle was bumpin around between 300-1000 rpms and when i rode it a couple of times it shut off while stopped and the bike was around 180 i dunno ill take it to an expert...

is it hard to change the plugs myself?
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ok well it took about 3 minutes to get up to about 130 and even then when i took the choke off the needle was bumpin around between 300-1000 rpms and when i rode it a couple of times it shut off while stopped and the bike was around 180 i dunno ill take it to an expert...

is it hard to change the plugs myself?
you should be able to change the plugs yourself. Also by the regular cheap old NGK sparkplugs! They are the BEST their is...nothing fancy! otherwise you are wasteing your money.
After you change your plugs...follow the same procedure I explained above in my other post...if the problem still exist then adjust your idle a little bit.
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Could be easier than that... maybe the idle needs to be turned up?




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Could be easier than that... maybe the idle needs to be turned up?
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Bro...forget about temperature with the choke. Hit the starter once or twice without the choke if it fires and stays running don't use the choke. If it doesnt fire after hitting the button once or twice...put the choke on. But not for 3 minutes. Just a little...till it stays running. Like R1 said...like 30 seconds to a minute.



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Does it ever idle normally?
in an old post i said it idled rough but wasnt sure if that was how bikes are....it was bouncing between 700-1000 or so but now it drops down wayyy more than that.....

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Bro...forget about temperature with the choke. Hit the starter once or twice without the choke if it fires and stays running don't use the choke. If it doesnt fire after hitting the button once or twice...put the choke on. But not for 3 minutes. Just a little...till it stays running. Like R1 said...like 30 seconds to a minute.
im going out now to see if it will fire up without the choke i doubt it....

just as i knew...i fired it up without the choke but if i dont rev it up a little itll just shut off so basically it neeeds the choke...i started it with the choke, counted to 30 and put the choke down about half way and it stayed on for about another 30 seconds and shut off....now i think i will just change the plugs and see if that makes a difference....

as far as the idle where is the knob to adjust it?

and can anyone give me a step by step for the plugs?

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Idle adjust may be on the right side of the engine somewhere...small knob. And plugs...remove tank, pull wires, remove old plug, gap new plug, insert, reinstall wires, install tank. Done.



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Remove tank, remove airbox, remove plug wires, remove plugs, then reinstall in reveres order.

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Same idea, same time. Nice.



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Idle adjust may be on the right side of the engine somewhere...small knob. And plugs...remove tank, pull wires, remove old plug, gap new plug, insert, reinstall wires, install tank. Done.
and with the idle adjust i just turn it up and down to get it to where the idle should be at?

and thanks for the info on the plugs maybe i will go to my garage and work on that project now
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