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post #1 of 28 (permalink) Old 07-29-2006, 05:54 PM Thread Starter
 
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hey guys i need your help..I own a 99 GSXR750 and had my brand new Battleaxe tires mounted on my wheels at a local bike shop..This is the question.. what is that yellow dot on the sidewall of the tire for and the mechanic told me my rear tire didn't need to be balanced because i have a cush drive in the rear hub where it mounts to my sprocket...can anyone verify this and explain the yellow dots on my tires ( i was told by someone that the marks on the tires should line up with my air valve stem on the wheel???)

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post #2 of 28 (permalink) Old 07-29-2006, 07:42 PM
 
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The dot is there and the installers are suppose to line it up with the valve stem for better balancing results. It's not that big of a deal if it's not lined up. You do have a cush drive in your rear wheel. It shoulda still been balanced though.
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The dot is there and the installers are suppose to line it up with the valve stem for better balancing results. It's not that big of a deal if it's not lined up. You do have a cush drive in your rear wheel. It shoulda still been balanced though.
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how crucial is that mark to align with the valve stem??? and this is a pretty reputable shop.......shouldn't they know this and would this mistreatment be the result of me having purchased my tires online instead through them? is there sometime of liability ???
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how crucial is that mark to align with the valve stem??? and this is a pretty reputable shop.......shouldn't they know this and would this mistreatment be the result of me having purchased my tires online instead through them? is there sometime of liability ???
they probably just stuck the tire on there not paying attention, and figured it out after the tire was mounted. They were just being carless and lazy and didn't want to re-due the tire.
It has nothing to do with you buying the tire online...it's just a lazy careless technician.
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but will this effect the balance of the tire greatly that it will impare the rider??

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Dude, the most important thing is that the fron tire is balanced. The rear takes care of itself because of the cush system in the rear. I wouldnt sweat it.
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As was posted, the dot should line up with the valve stem but it's not a big deal if it isn't. Even with the cush drive, they should have checked the balance. However, most modern tires and wheels are so well balanced that they take very little weight anyway.

Buying your tires elsewhere is a bit of a sore spot with me. My shop will not mount tires that weren't purchased at our store. First off, what happens if the tire is defective or there is a problem with the bead or it doesn't seat properly? We can't get it replaced for you but you are going to expect us to. Why should we take the liability of being associated with a tire that we made no money on? Besides, you don't bring your own ground beef to McDonalds do you?

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As was posted, the dot should line up with the valve stem but it's not a big deal if it isn't. Even with the cush drive, they should have checked the balance. However, most modern tires and wheels are so well balanced that they take very little weight anyway.

Buying your tires elsewhere is a bit of a sore spot with me. My shop will not mount tires that weren't purchased at our store. First off, what happens if the tire is defective or there is a problem with the bead or it doesn't seat properly? We can't get it replaced for you but you are going to expect us to. Why should we take the liability of being associated with a tire that we made no money on? Besides, you don't bring your own ground beef to McDonalds do you?

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I understand the Liability issues Larry, but you are still making a killing off the labor! for two tires to be mounted and about 15 minutes of work...assuming the customer brung in the tires and wheels with no bike.
You just make them sign a waiver stating your shop will not be held responsable for thing gone wrong.
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Yep... what everybody said is right.

The only thing that will happen is that with the dot not aligned is that you may have a extra bit of balance weight on that tire. Or you might have some where as if it was lined up you may not have had any...

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Just so you know. The dot is supposed to signify the lightest point of the tire. That way the valve steam will offset the light spot.

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I understand the Liability issues Larry, but you are still making a killing off the labor! for two tires to be mounted and about 15 minutes of work...assuming the customer brung in the tires and wheels with no bike.
You just make them sign a waiver stating your shop will not be held responsable for thing gone wrong.
Unfortunately, waivers don't mean crap and the shop will still have to spend a boatload of money defending themselves in a frivolous lawsuit. I'd hardly call it making a killing swapping tires, I guess it depends on what they charge, but even twenty bucks doesn't go far when you consider the overhead required...And that still doesn't touch on the issue that your local shop relies on the revenue generated from selling the tires to help cover those expenses.

If you don't want to support your local shop, don't. But don't expect them to be there for you either.

Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack this thread but as someone on the other side of the equation, I feel like I should say something.

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As was posted, the dot should line up with the valve stem but it's not a big deal if it isn't. Even with the cush drive, they should have checked the balance. However, most modern tires and wheels are so well balanced that they take very little weight anyway.

Buying your tires elsewhere is a bit of a sore spot with me. My shop will not mount tires that weren't purchased at our store. First off, what happens if the tire is defective or there is a problem with the bead or it doesn't seat properly? We can't get it replaced for you but you are going to expect us to. Why should we take the liability of being associated with a tire that we made no money on? Besides, you don't bring your own ground beef to McDonalds do you?

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Do you price match with the internet? around here I can't find tires for anything approaching the deals I get on the internet, even after paying shipping... As long as that is true. I won't buy locally.
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Unfortunately, waivers don't mean crap and the shop will still have to spend a boatload of money defending themselves in a frivolous lawsuit. I'd hardly call it making a killing swapping tires, I guess it depends on what they charge, but even twenty bucks doesn't go far when you consider the overhead required...And that still doesn't touch on the issue that your local shop relies on the revenue generated from selling the tires to help cover those expenses.

If you don't want to support your local shop, don't. But don't expect them to be there for you either.

Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack this thread but as someone on the other side of the equation, I feel like I should say something.

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Larry, what's the problem? you only provided a tire mounting service, not a product warranty. if they have a problem, then charge them to dismount and charge them again for remounting a new tire. then tell the customer that the problem with online purchases is shipping cost on warranty items. I've worked in automotove repair in college and know the business well.

Going to court is part of the business. Have those documents in hand. the issue is with a faulty tire not a faulty installation. And don't forget, customers are not obligated to support you, you have to provide them a reason to support your shop. Advertisement is the key. A friend of mine that owns a small motorcycle shop managed to get factory riders at his shop for a meet and greet with fans. He now owns 3 shops.

gets some deals going... free mounting coupon will help draw new customers in. also, adopt a bunch of teenage orphans and put them to work.

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Hey I just found out my new neighbor use to be in the tire biz and has a enclosed trailer with a complete wire mounting and high speed balancing setup in it. Rim clamp and all...




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w/ everyone. No big deal.



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I agree with Larry...most shops won't mount tires they don't sell...There is only one shop in Talley that will mount tires they don't sell and they charge 35 per tire, if you bring the tire and wheel to them...

The problem here is that the other shops want full retail plus mounting for tires and they want over 400 bucks for 2 tires installed...My last 208's cost me 160 for the pair and 70 to mount...

230 Vs 400...what would you do?

Some of the dealers will run a "special"...2 tires mounted for 320...

I haven't found a dealer locally that has treated me well enough to pay the extra money just for the priviledge of spending it with them...
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That's why I buy most my bike and car stuff online and install most everything my self. Sometimes I do call in professional help but its rare.

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FWIW, I've only ever worked at one store that did enough tire volume it could match internet pricing and still make money. Most internet-based vendors don't have the overhead required to run a retail store and can therefore sell at a much thinner margin. In addition, they tend to buy in large quanitites and also take advantage of close-outs or discontinued product. Be sure to take a good look at the date stamp on the next tire you purchase online. In fact, maybe you should ask them if you can ship them your wheels and get the tires mounted and balanced as well.

I'm not saying all local shops are great, nor am I saying they are the only place to spend your money. All I want you to consider is if it is worth finding a shop you can trust and don't mind spending a couple of extra bucks to have a good relationship with them so they'll be there when you really need them.

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I have a guy like that. I take it to him when I need work I can't do.



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