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Question In need of engine opinions

So after I received my 3rd opinion on the condition of my bike, I have determined that I need to repair (overhaul) or replace me engine. I’m wondering if finding a Salvage engine is worth the time or just have the Shop. repair the engine. What worries me is; after buying the motor, what’s to say it won’t have devastating problems of its own? It is however off a damaged, totaled or scrapped bike and because it most likely will not come with a warranty I would have to bite the bullet (or grin and bare it). So is it really worth buying a used engine over having a shop repair the current engine?

Btw my 12 has 22K miles
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Tough decision...If you can do the bulk of the tear down and put back...you can save some money. you can remove the engine from the frame and then take the heads, block etc to the machine shop to be rebuilt, and then you can put it back together. It is a good learning experience if you have the time and talent.

For the reasons you suggested, used or salvaged engines can come with issues. If you can find a used engine that you know won't need repair, a swap could work.

Before you buy a used engine with damage or high mileage...you might as well rebuild your own
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Bee is right... but I kow of many that have done this. Plus there are always squids out there that are wrecking these new machines with low milage. Just be carefull...

Plus you have to remember if you try to rebuild it.. you have to split the case which includes the tranny!




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What was wrong with it again? Gas man is right about splitting cases. If the problem is with valves or rings, a handy person can do them, and on some bikes without taking the engine out of the frame.
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I don't understand the issue with splitting the cases? Try splitting the cases on one with an auto transmission...

If you are careful when you put it back together and install the proper gaskets...it won't leak...
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I was told that among the unseen I needed a complete Valve replacement and possible seals, it appears that sand has made its way into the Air Box and wrecked havoc. There were a couple of other things that I can't remember at the moment but you get the idea.
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I would get it fixed at a shop.
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I am going to have a local shop do my work... but if it comes to finding an engine...are there Salvage yards around that anyone has used that you would use again? I'm not having much luck.. my Search-Fu is weak
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I am going to have a local shop do my work... but if it comes to finding an engine...are there Salvage yards around that anyone has used that you would use again? I'm not having much luck.. my Search-Fu is weak

As long as the block is not cracked or warped or damaged...you can rebuild it. A good machine shop should be able to do everything necessary. The dealer will probably send the heads and block out to one. Check around with the local shops and they could probably do the work cheaper than the dealer...but you will have to disassemble the bike.
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Check around with the local shops and they could probably do the work cheaper than the dealer...but you will have to disassemble the bike.
You know I thought that at one time... and was using the small shops around.. untill I did (random checks on service ) I had no idea that A.L.L. the shops around here charge the same amount for labor. and yeah some maybe able to get some parts cheaper but There have been one horror story after another about different shops.. so I decided to start using the Dealership closest to the House...mainly because the Shop I Like to use is a good 45 miles away and it's hard to make it there before close during the week.
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You know I thought that at one time... and was using the small shops around.. untill I did (random checks on service ) I had no idea that A.L.L. the shops around here charge the same amount for labor. and yeah some maybe able to get some parts cheaper but There have been one horror story after another about different shops.. so I decided to start using the Dealership closest to the House...mainly because the Shop I Like to use is a good 45 miles away and it's hard to make it there before close during the week.
if you called them and explained what you are doing...and that you want to give the business to them enough that you will inconvenience yourself 45 miles to come to them...I'll bet they will work with you on hours...
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yeah well 45 miles in Houston could easily be a 2 hour drive... between 4 and 6PM... traffic sucks here.
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Just for curiosity sake… What model year engines are compatible with other year frames between the 00 ZX12 to the 04 ZX12?

Like can I take a 2001 Engine and put it on 2000 Frame? (Probably to wide open of a question) I have found a 2003 engine for $2000 but the only thing I know of is the Mount Bolts are not the same or they would have to be drilled to “make it work”. So just wondering what other year engines would work on a 2000 frame.
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yeah well 45 miles in Houston could easily be a 2 hour drive... between 4 and 6PM... traffic sucks here.
Just travel around those times. You may even be able to get buy with just a good used head.

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I got a quote on repairs to the Top End and Valves... $2464.92 (not too Bad)

I had found a 2003 engine for $2000 it's really not worth it to get it and have it shipped plus installed compared to the repair cost of my current.

So I'm going to have it repaired... and depending on the cost, get a complete Muzzy exhaust added... ;-)
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Yeah, it would end up costing more to the get new engine. Keep us updated and also give us a review of the shop doing the work.
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Just for curiosity sake… What model year engines are compatible with other year frames between the 00 ZX12 to the 04 ZX12?

Like can I take a 2001 Engine and put it on 2000 Frame? (Probably to wide open of a question) I have found a 2003 engine for $2000 but the only thing I know of is the Mount Bolts are not the same or they would have to be drilled to “make it work”. So just wondering what other year engines would work on a 2000 frame.

You can put up to the 05 year in this frame. The 05 has a few more ponies and a little lighter. This bike also has a cartage style trans so you will not have to split the trans open.
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Repair Run Down;
Gasket-Hed x1
Gasket, Head Cover x1
Gasket, Spark Plug HO x4
Gasket, Cylinder Base x1
Ring Set Piston x4
Element Assy Air Fil x2
Gasket Exhaust Pipe x4
Seal Oil RVIC 5X8.7 x16
Valve Intake x8
Valve Exhaust x8
+ Labor x20

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