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Oil fill question...too much?

I have a 2000 Ninja 250. Last night I did my first oil change on it. The sight glass has two marks, one low and one high. The oil ended up filled to the top mark, maybe a mm over or so. Should I drain some oil out?

Also, when I start the engine the sight glass is empty...is this normal? I just want to make sure the sight glass is not supposed to remain the same when the engine is running. I imagine it isn't but I wasn't sure.

Sorry for the goofy questions, this is my first bike and I am used to working on cars. lol
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Not a goofy question at all. Checking the level in the sight glass is somewhat of a pain. You have to make sure the bike is perfectly level....slightly off center can change the level quite a bit. To properly check it, make sure you run the bike a couple of minutes, shut it off and wait about another 2 minutes to check the level. It's easier if a friend gets on the bike to hold it verticle & steady. If it's just a hair over the full line there shouldn't be a problem. If it's too close to call, draining out about an ounce or two should bring it down between the 2 lines. And yes, the oil does disappear from the sight glass when the engine is running.

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Thanks! I did all of the filling and checking in the garage with the bike on the center stand...that should be level enough probably? I did not let the bike run for a few minutes either...probably only 30 seconds. Seeing the oil dissapear from the glass scared me. LOL
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Sorry gotta share a silly story-- When I was taught to do my oil change for my bike, they put too much oil in.

Then we went for a ride to let the filter suck up the oil.

and when we got home their was a tad too much oil too...

So the guy gets a plastic cup, and puts the bike on the centerstand on a sidewalk at nine o'clock at night.

I said "don't do it its too hot" and he said "I am only going to unscrew it a little"

needless to say, I stood their watching him and all of the sudden he yelled at me to go get the oil pan and as I returned with the pan, I could see all of my oil on the ground and him cursing because the oil was hot. (can anyone say duh??)

needless to say, we wanted to go out for a ride, so we had to have all of our buddies bring over their extra oil so that I could refill my bike. Then we had to use cotton bedding to soak up the oil off of the ground because I didn't have any kitty litter and a carpet has stayed over the area so that my landlord does not figure it out and bug.

Point of the story-- check it when its hot, and then to empty it, let it cool...
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Checking on the stands, still results to (for some reason) too much, take it off the stands, and balance the bike or have someone hold it then check. I've put my bikes on stands and it looks perfect on stands but when put back on ground I get a higher reading. Over fill of oil can damage you engine just as much as not enough.
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Checking on the stands, still results to (for some reason) too much, take it off the stands, and balance the bike or have someone hold it then check. I've put my bikes on stands and it looks perfect on stands but when put back on ground I get a higher reading. Over fill of oil can damage you engine just as much as not enough.

Amen! A couple of years ago, I was changing the oil in one of my bikes when a group of guys from the neighborhood came over to blab (actually, get away from their wives so they could slam brewskies and get blotto). I had my bike on stands when I put the oil in...up to the top line. When I took it off, the whole sight glass filled up....waaay too much oil. Actually, the party boys distracted me.

Anyway, I have the nasty habit of loseing my composure and common since when I do something stupid . I didn't want to pull the stunt like the guy in Bandit Gurl's story, so I grabbed a rubber tube and started sucking the excess oil out. I couldn't get a siphon going, so I just sucked out mouthfulls of very warm synthetic oil and spit it out in a coffee can. Before it registered how stupid this was, my gums were on fire . I ran in the house and got a new bottle of Scope mouthwash and rinsed and spat all over the side yard for 10 minutes. The boys were so hammered, they never realized what was going on and wanted to know why the hell I was gargling in the yard.

Bottom line....don't overfill the oil!

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Ok, I don't like starting new posts so I will just tag on my newbe question here. I was sitting and shooting the breez with a couple of guys and they claimed that you should not hold your cluch in for more than 30 secs. I figgured "Yea, whatever". Then the next day or so I heard the same thing again. Is this right? Surely this isn't right. I would have heard about it by now, because we all know that I know all there is to know about bikes. (you may all throw the bs flag up now).
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Ok, I don't like starting new posts so I will just tag on my newbe question here. I was sitting and shooting the breez with a couple of guys and they claimed that you should not hold your cluch in for more than 30 secs. I figgured "Yea, whatever". Then the next day or so I heard the same thing again. Is this right? Surely this isn't right. I would have heard about it by now, because we all know that I know all there is to know about bikes. (you may all throw the bs flag up now).
That's a modern myth. On older bikes, holding in the clutch could overheat the clutch plates. Modern clutches are pretty tough. It doesn't really hurt to hold it in, say, at traffic lights. I usually just put it in neutral if I'll be sitting for long.....But no, It won't hurt your clutch to hold it in for a couple of minutes.

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Not a goofy question at all. Checking the level in the sight glass is somewhat of a pain. You have to make sure the bike is perfectly level....slightly off center can change the level quite a bit. To properly check it, make sure you run the bike a couple of minutes, shut it off and wait about another 2 minutes to check the level. It's easier if a friend gets on the bike to hold it verticle & steady. If it's just a hair over the full line there shouldn't be a problem. If it's too close to call, draining out about an ounce or two should bring it down between the 2 lines. And yes, the oil does disappear from the sight glass when the engine is running.
The sight glass goes empty? It never did on my EX500.... Oh, and I put a phone book under my kick stand, which put the bike damn near perfectly level. I also remember someone on here saying to use a mirror while you are sitting on the bike... Damn good idea...

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Thanks! I did all of the filling and checking in the garage with the bike on the center stand...that should be level enough probably? I did not let the bike run for a few minutes either...probably only 30 seconds. Seeing the oil dissapear from the glass scared me. LOL
The centerstand should work as far as I know...

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Ok, I don't like starting new posts so I will just tag on my newbe question here. I was sitting and shooting the breez with a couple of guys and they claimed that you should not hold your cluch in for more than 30 secs. I figgured "Yea, whatever". Then the next day or so I heard the same thing again. Is this right? Surely this isn't right. I would have heard about it by now, because we all know that I know all there is to know about bikes. (you may all throw the bs flag up now).
If it's right, I am flucked.

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That's a modern myth. On older bikes, holding in the clutch could overheat the clutch plates. Modern clutches are pretty tough. It doesn't really hurt to hold it in, say, at traffic lights. I usually just put it in neutral if I'll be sitting for long.....But no, It won't hurt your clutch to hold it in for a couple of minutes.
I put it in neutral if I am going to be sitting for a while... That's just because I am lazy though...
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I have a 2000 Ninja 250. Last night I did my first oil change on it. The sight glass has two marks, one low and one high. The oil ended up filled to the top mark, maybe a mm over or so. Should I drain some oil out?

Also, when I start the engine the sight glass is empty...is this normal? I just want to make sure the sight glass is not supposed to remain the same when the engine is running. I imagine it isn't but I wasn't sure.

Sorry for the goofy questions, this is my first bike and I am used to working on cars. lol

Yes, the sight glass goes empty on both my 05 SV and on my GF's 06 250 Ninja, it is because the oil is circulating through the engine when it is running.


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Thanks! I did all of the filling and checking in the garage with the bike on the center stand...that should be level enough probably? I did not let the bike run for a few minutes either...probably only 30 seconds. Seeing the oil dissapear from the glass scared me. LOL
Having the bike on it's center stand will lift the rear of the bike, putting it at an angle and giving you an innaccurate reading. It is best to either pull it up off the kickstand yourself, balancing it from the side while checking the sight glass, or if you have someone available, have them it on it and balance it while you check the level.

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Yes, the sight glass goes empty on both my 05 SV and on my GF's 06 250 Ninja, it is because the oil is circulating through the engine when it is running.




Having the bike on it's center stand will lift the rear of the bike, putting it at an angle and giving you an innaccurate reading. It is best to either pull it up off the kickstand yourself, balancing it from the side while checking the sight glass, or if you have someone available, have them it on it and balance it while you check the level.
Did I sell my 500 just in time or what! The glass always had oil in it while running!

To cure the centerstand forward lean, put a brick under your front tire.
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Then we went for a ride to let the filter suck up the oil.
I always prime mine buy filling it with oil before but not enough that its going dump everywhere. I dont like running things dry.

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Thanks for all of the replies!
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I started the bike up last night and let it run for a few and then let it sit for a few. The oil was higher than before! So I drained some and it seems good now.

Thanks everyone!
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Point of the story-- check it when its hot, and then to empty it, let it cool...
If you're changing your oil that is completely false. It is best to change your oil with the motor hot. All the thick sledge is actually luquid then and hopefully you will get it out of the motor. let it cool and it will settle in the crevis of the oil pan and not drain...




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If you're changing your oil that is completely false. It is best to change your oil with the motor hot. All the thick sledge is actually luquid then and hopefully you will get it out of the motor. let it cool and it will settle in the crevis of the oil pan and not drain...
No he overfilled it, so he just wanted to take some out and decided he was going to use a paper cup...
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after changing oil and filter, run the engine to operating temperature. then let cool down. always check oil when it's cold and should be at the low mark. hot oil expands (increase in volume). if you check oil when hot, use the high mark on the site glass.

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