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post #1 of 34 (permalink) Old 03-13-2005, 02:19 PM Thread Starter
 
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Angry 04 600rr broke down the other night!

Ok, so I just got a cbr 600rr a few weekd ago and I already layed it down. Doh!!! The wreck wasn't that bad and afterwards the bike ran fine. I took it to the shop and had them put a new pipe, some frame sliders, new front turn signals(one broke when I went down) and a shock undertail kit. Well about a week goes by and Im on the freeway going home when all of the sudden I roll on the throttle and come to find out that my bike is either not getting gas or not getting spark. I coast off the freeway and let it sit for a minute. I try to start it and no dice. The bike turns over but wont fire. I try every few minutes for a while until I realize that I need to make a call to get picked up. Of coarse I was in a horrible spot on the freeway in los angeles so I started pushing to get myself and my bike off the freeway. While I waited for my girlfriend to bring my truck to me I kept trying to start it and still no dice until finally the battery ran out. Has anyone heard anything about this bike doing this or had a similar problem. I went down on the left side if that matters. Could I have knocked somthing loose or pinched a line or somthing? Any help is greatly appriciated.


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post #2 of 34 (permalink) Old 03-13-2005, 03:02 PM
 
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First thing since you didnt say anything about it...GAS. Is it in there. Only asking because it has happened to me a few times. Second, if your bike is new, take it back to the dealer so they can test the electrical system. Its still under warranty. I had a similar problem and it ended up being my statar. Statar on a bike is like the starter on a car.
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Sounds to me like it's something electrical most likely caused by your crash. You should check all your connections starting at the battery to make sure they're all tight. Could also possibly be a wire that has chafed or shorted from something rubbing against it. Good luck...
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post #4 of 34 (permalink) Old 03-13-2005, 03:27 PM
 
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Statar on a bike is like the starter on a car.
Don't you mean like an alternator on a car?
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Don't you mean like an alternator on a car?
opps...yeah...thats it. My bad.
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Don't you mean like an alternator on a car?
Thanks... I was going to digitally slap him for that mess up!

NEXT... WELCOME!!!

As long as you have gas, I would say it's definately a electrical thing. The dealer/warrenty is a great idea. If it's under warrenty don't even talk about the crash. They'll know it was down, but down play that like it was 2 months ago or somin...

Then charge your battery. If your charger is automatic be carefull not to boil it! Use a low 2 amp charge...remember they're small...

If not.. get a service manual if you're not very comfortable with the bike and its parts. Strip off your fairings and start checking your connectors and sensors. You really need to take off the fairings to get in the big picture!

Also, is it giving you any failure codes on the dash??

Pay special attention to that left side. Also pay attention to the flip over switch... all the FI (I'm pretty sure) bikes have them! It's so you don't run your injectors out of gas. Being that is not good for them!

Check your battery connections. Then start to go over your sensors. Check all of them. Make sure they're in place and the connectors are all tight!!

And then kick it!




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Well, I just took the bike to my local honda dealer and he said he has had somthing similar happend twice. He said it sounds like the bike lost compression! It only has 1700 miles on it, is this possible? I didnt hear any loud noise when it died just a sudden loss of power but all electrical still worked. He also said that if this is the case, honda would not cover it under warranty. Am I getting put together here? The guy said that these bikes need to driven very hard and if I didn't drive it hard enough, that could be the cause. I do drive the bike pretty hard so I can't see how this could be true. Please tell me this guy is on crack!
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And thanks again for all everyones help.


If it was electrical would the bike still turn over?
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I mean that could be possible... I seen a guy burn out a clutch in a 600RR and it only had like 1200 miles on it!

1700 miles... it must be under warrenty! Right?

If that is the case, then it would DEFINATELY be covered!!! NO DOUBT!!! Tell that guy that while that may be true but IT WILL BE COVERED!!! PERIOD!!!

This would cause a no start motor. But I wouldn't think you'd loose all compression in all 4 all at once!

Was the bike running good before this??




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When any vehicle won't start, you have to determine if the problem is gas or ignition. An easy way is to pull a spark plug. You might have to pull all the plugs. If the plug is wet, you are getting gas. If not, check for fuel, petcock turned on, vacuum line to petcock connected, fuel pump humming, and choke on or off.

Lay a plug on the block and crank. No spark? On the new bikes, it's probably a relay like the kickstand, clutch lever, or emergency stop switch. Basically, there are three problems: opens, shorts and grounds. Open could be a broken wire or switch turned to off. Short is when current flows directly to ground. A blown fuse indicates a short in the line. A ground is similar to a short, but is on the ground side; such as a horn that blows continuously.

With less than $20 in tools, you can check your wiring. A 12-volt test light can be used to search for voltage. The key has to be on, but the bike should not be running. With the clip to ground, touch the point to both sides of fuse holders, relays, switches etc. A self-powered test light (continuity tester) is like a 12-volt test light, but uses it's own power. Only use the continuity tester on circuits that have no power. It will check power on segments of wiring, switches, and relays. A jumper (10-gauge wire with alligator clips soldered on either end) can be used to bypass switches and relays.

Now you can do the same thing a good mechanic can do. But it also helps if you have a wiring diagram for your bike.
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...He said it sounds like the bike lost compression!...
How could he possibly say this without hearing the bike run or doing a compression check? I would talk to the manager.
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You need to find another dealer. That statement is absolute B.S. Any failure due to manufacturing defects is always covered by the warranty. The fact that he said the bike needs to be ridden hard is obvious that he either doesn't have a clue or figures you don't either. Many dealers are reluctant to perform warranty repairs as the manufacturers have preestablished labor rates to perform the repair and it typically doesn't reimburse the dealer his true costs.

Like Gas Man asked, are you getting any MIL codes? That is the first thing to look for as it will indicate various system failures.
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The bike was running great before this and no, there wasn't any warning lights on. Another thing is I lost my key in the process of pushing my bike off the freeway (I know...stupid stupid stupid!) any how they are making a new key for but getting the key code is kind of a bitch. So he said they will call me tommarow once the key is made and let me know what they have found to be wrong with it. I figure if its somthing stupid then Ill just let them do it, but if they say it needs a rebuild or somthing crazy and they won't cover it under warranty then Ill just pick it up and take it to another dealer.
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Well, I just took the bike to my local honda dealer and he said he has had somthing similar happend twice. He said it sounds like the bike lost compression! It only has 1700 miles on it, is this possible? I didnt hear any loud noise when it died just a sudden loss of power but all electrical still worked. He also said that if this is the case, honda would not cover it under warranty. Am I getting put together here? The guy said that these bikes need to driven very hard and if I didn't drive it hard enough, that could be the cause. I do drive the bike pretty hard so I can't see how this could be true. Please tell me this guy is on crack!
this guy is cluless..."The guy said that these bikes need to driven very hard and if I didn't drive it hard enough, that could be the cause." what kind of statement is that..id ask to see the manager or owner of the shop, you are getting a major runaround.....
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Thats what it sounds like to me too. So what if I was one of those people who didn't ever get on it (there is alot of them out there), is my motor in danger? The more I think about it and the more I hear people like your selves who know whats up give me your opinion, the more Im begining to definately think this guy is full of ****. Well I guess all I can do is wait and see now. I'll definately keep you all posted as to what happends. Hopefully its just somthing minor so I can get back to enjoying my new bike. Any how thanks and have a good night.

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Should have bought a Gixxer.
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I just sold my gixxer!
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I just sold my gixxer!
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yup that guy at the dealer is yankin ur chain dude. take the bike somewhere else and get it looked at. if i had to guess i would say the stator. did the shop replace the stator cover when you dropped it? casue if the ppl that fixed it are the ppl that are tellin you it lost compression then they probably screwed something up.
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Bradley... so it sounds like the bike is at the dealer... make sure to let us know what they say is wrong with it! I'm really curioius!!

Remember, EVERYTHING is covered on your warrenty besides wearable stuff, like hoses, tires, brakes, clutchs, ect... The only way for them to give you the warrenty boot is if you have a bolt/add-on that may have caused the warrenty issue. THAT DOES NOT MEAN that if you have a slip-on muffler and your tip over sensor goes out that they won't cover it! The bolt/add-on has to be directly related to the warrenty issue!

DON'T LET THEM PUSH YOU AROUND ON THIS!!! If they give you crap, call Honda directly!!!




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