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I've heard that once you put synthetic in you can't put conventional oil in it ever again. How much truth is behind this and why can't you?
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This is another one of those fuzzy areas.And i'll defer to larry..................
Although i personally like to stick with one oil and not vary it in any way..
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i heard that also .....it's that coventional Oil will not coat your engine parts because of the chemical reaction to the sythetic....like oil to water then don't mix.........

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That does make sense.
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i heard that also .....it's that coventional Oil will not coat your engine parts because of the chemical reaction to the sythetic....like oil to water then don't mix.........
That is right, I have just spent the last hour reading this subject and found that the rings not sealing is a myth. Due to Synthesized hydrocarbons such as polyalphaolefins.

http://www.chris-longhurst.com/carbi...oil_bible.html

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i heard that also .....it's that coventional Oil will not coat your engine parts because of the chemical reaction to the sythetic....like oil to water then don't mix.........
Nope. You can even buy conventional/synthetic mixtures (Usually called "Semi-Synthetic"). "Synthetic" motor oil is actually not pure synthetic (at least, not the stuff you normally buy at pep-boys - Mobil 1, Castrol, etc). It's actually derived from conventional oil. A pure synthetic oil wouldn't mix with a conventional.

You are always better sticking with whatever you choose to run. Most people wouldn't ever have a problem if they switched back and forth, but there is a tiny, slim chance problems can occur especially in an motor with a lot of miles on it (the way internal parts wear is effected by the oil type on the microscopic level).

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Everyone has an opinion and only 1 can be right. following from mototune~
"while about 80% of the ring sealing takes place in the first hour of running the engine,
the last 20% of the process takes a longer time. Street riding isn't a controlled environment, so most of the mileage may
not be in "ring loading mode". Synthetic oil is so slippery that it actually "arrests" the break in process before the rings can seal completely. I've had a few customers who switched to synthetic oil too soon, and the rings never sealed properly no matter how hard they rode. Taking a new engine apart to re - ring it is the last thing anyone wants to do, so I recommend a lot
of mileage before switching to synthetic. It's really a "better safe than sorry" situation."

http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

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I always use the same oil in a motor after break-in.
I might use a 1,2,3 step depending on what came from the factory.
1. factory oil ( break in)
2. semi-synthetic (first service)
3. full Synthetic (2ed. service and on)

I don't know if its true but, that's the way I was told to do it.
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Nope. You can even buy conventional/synthetic mixtures (Usually called "Semi-Synthetic"). "Synthetic" motor oil is actually not pure synthetic (at least, not the stuff you normally buy at pep-boys - Mobil 1, Castrol, etc). It's actually derived from conventional oil. A pure synthetic oil wouldn't mix with a conventional.

You are always better sticking with whatever you choose to run. Most people wouldn't ever have a problem if they switched back and forth, but there is a tiny, slim chance problems can occur especially in an motor with a lot of miles on it (the way internal parts wear is effected by the oil type on the microscopic level).

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Everything else is mostly right... but Amsoil prides themselves in making their synthetic oil from all synthetics!! they say that's why it holds up better!!!

As far as the original question... answer this one for me...

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As far as the original question... answer this one for me...

Chicken or the egg?
We all know the chicken came first!

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I've heard that once you put synthetic in you can't put conventional oil in it ever again. How much truth is behind this and why can't you?
Why would you or anybody want to?

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mp where do u get this stuff at?
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That is right, I have just spent the last hour reading this subject and found that the rings not sealing is a myth. Due to Synthesized hydrocarbons such as polyalphaolefins.

http://www.chris-longhurst.com/carbi...oil_bible.html

Read up!!!
Lotsa good info....

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very good site!!!! i will spedn the whole dam day reading it but it is very good!! lol
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