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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 06-10-2005, 01:34 PM Thread Starter
 
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On the bottom or the top......

Do you guys have you clip-ons on the bottom of the top of the triple tree? On my races bikes I have them on the top for faster streering(I was told by my suspension guy). I have searched all over the web and cant find out why the Ohins guy said it was better on the top.

But the bikes from the factory come under the triple? Werid huh? Now I use to race with the clip-ons under the triple and feel no real diffrence between the 2.
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post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old 06-10-2005, 02:05 PM
 
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my F4i has them on the top vs the RR which are under
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post #3 of 14 (permalink) Old 06-10-2005, 02:07 PM
 
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cant see the bars on top or on the bottom of the triple tree changing the steering geometry to make it turn faster , just more of a rider preferance to where he wants the bars to be for either comfort or to where he feels he can manuver the bike better......
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post #4 of 14 (permalink) Old 06-10-2005, 02:09 PM
 
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It will help steering if they're on top...I'm not going to get into the geometry of it but it will but I don't think it's enough for you to notice.
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might give you a quicker/easier stearing. ya know sorta liek a leverage type of thing, the longer something is, when you turn or pull or push it makes it easier. maybe, maybe not, i cant see and inch or 2 making any difference though.
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might give you a quicker/easier stearing. ya know sorta liek a leverage type of thing, the longer something is, when you turn or pull or push it makes it easier. maybe, maybe not, i cant see and inch or 2 making any difference though.
right, sort of like having wider bars to help leverage the bike...but still dont think it changes geometry of the steering or the bike...like lowering the front in the triple trees will help the bike turn in, and thats a geometry change...or raising the rear etc....I still think its just a rider input thing...but not sure.
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post #7 of 14 (permalink) Old 06-10-2005, 03:37 PM
 
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sounds like its just an easy way to get higher bars for a more comfortable ride without havign to really change anythgin
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post #8 of 14 (permalink) Old 06-10-2005, 09:34 PM
 
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Does nothing to steering geometry. Under the triple, the bars put slightly more of your shoulder weight on the bars and wrists. Great for leverage, plus your body is lower for aerodynamics. Above the triple, the bars put less weight on the wrists, and it's easier to modify. Mine is above, and I raised it 3/4 inch. Best for street riding.

I know that Keith Code (Twist Of The Wrist) build a bike that demonstrated how placement of the bars and counter-steering worked, but I can't remember if I saw it in a magazine or online.
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I also think its more rider preference but, the higher the bar the more leverage you can put on it.

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post #10 of 14 (permalink) Old 06-10-2005, 10:27 PM
 
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I'm no engineer, but the lower the front is the more weight is put on the front. If you feel it in your wrists the tire can probably feel it too. Probably could be good or bad depending on the bike and rider. Like Dr. Ruth says; If it feels good -Do it.
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Maybe with it closer to your torso allows you to push harder on them.

Or maybe it has more to do with the person vs bike geometry not the suspension geometry. The angle at which the clip ons are at your body and arms.




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My clip-ons are on the bottom of the triple on my 7R. I rode a ZX-6E last year (now the wife's) and the clip-ons are on the top. I do prefer the seat position of my 7R but wish the clip-ons were more like the E. For me, the difference is definitely in rider comfort. I like the feel of sitting in the bike (7R) as opposed to sitting atop (6E) the bike but on long rides, I can feel a slight sting in the upper left shoulder related to the clip-on position.
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post #13 of 14 (permalink) Old 06-13-2005, 01:37 PM
 
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You sure he didn't mean it would quicken steering because you had to raise the forks up so much further in the triples to actually get the clip ons above the upper triple? With the front dropped that much you probably couldn't keep the clip ons beneath the triple without clearance issues.

Plus, you'd have more leverage with the clip ons higher...
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Isn't it normal to drop a R6 down a inch in the front for track duty?

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