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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 08-23-2004, 11:27 PM Thread Starter
 
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Talking Bike won't start again!!!

Ok ppl. This is the second time that this has happen to me and I am bout getting the sh*t$ of it. :banghead: :helpme: :helpme: :helpme:

The first time it happen to me, Matt and a few others were going to the Carlisle Bike Show and it got pretty hot just sitting there in non-moving traffic and it caused the battery to die. I called the guy I bought the bike from and he told me that it was the orginal battery(5yrs old) and that when the bike gets that hot,over 248, it drains from it thous causing it to die. As it did on me that day. So I got it running later after the bike show when Matt kick-started it and it ran great for me for a few more days till I left the park light on and it drained the battery again. So I go out at from 12:30am till almost 3am by the time I got home and a few trips to Wal-Mart to get the right battery and take the old one with me on the last trip to be sure I go the right one. Long night.

So tonight I am riding(now its been a few weeks and all running fine) and stop and get gas and shut it off. The temp was around 190-200. When I go to start it back up it trys to start but it won't. Think of a starter in a car trying to kick over but just won't. It was doing that. It had power but wasn't getting enough to start the bike. I let it sit for a bit to see,try again and I get nothing but the same. No starty. So I end up getting enought speed pushing it and kick start it and I am on my way home. As soon as I got home I shut it off to see if it will start(hoping the battery got pretty charged riding home)and it did the same thing it did earlier. No starty again. :shock:

I am going to take it to the local bike shop tomorrow or thursday to see what they come up with. I am hoping someone can shed some light on this and help me out.

One answer I am looking for is under lined to as if you have heard that before. And if anyone has some insight on the rest, please help me out. I want to get it fixed so it doesn't do it again. I have talked to the BETTER half tonight and got the ok to get the 2004 GSXR1000 I want. :hyper: But I am going to get this fixed and sell it so I don't sell it to someone and it happens to them and get pi$$ed off at me for it.

Thank you all for the info in advance. :thanx:

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post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old 08-24-2004, 12:11 AM Thread Starter
 
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UPDATE...

So now it has been an hour since I got home and anjd I go out to try to start it again just for sh*ts and giggles. Holy cow.....it started. :hyper: At first it souonded like it wasn't going to. It tried to turn over 2 times first before starting on the 3rd. I am now happy and thinking it was just a fluke. So I let it run for about 5 mins and shut it off. Just to see what it is going to do I try to start it again. :banghead: The damn thing will not start. :banghead: It is now doing the same thing it did before. :helpme: Once again, any kind of help will be great.
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Geez...you've had more bad luck with that bike than good luck :ack: ..I wonder if any of this ever happened to the previous owner when he said he "road at daytona all the time" , etc. etc.

Be sure to let us know what action (local bike dealer/shop) says when they look at it this week.

Im thinking its gotta be some kinda short in the electrical system that keeps draining the batter..thats my guess. I wouldnt think its the starter because it tries and tries to turn over..doesnt give any kinda clicking sound or anything. It sounds the same as when you try and start up your car on a real cold morning..it tries and tries to turn over, but just wont.
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post #4 of 14 (permalink) Old 08-24-2004, 07:11 AM
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Im thinking its gotta be some kinda short in the electrical system that keeps draining the batter..thats my guess. I wouldnt think its the starter because it tries and tries to turn over..doesnt give any kinda clicking sound or anything.



...but I'll wait for larryg to chime in.
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Geez...you've had more bad luck with that bike than good luck....Be sure to let us know what action (local bike dealer/shop) says when they look at it this week.

Well, I won't say that. Not even close to that. The only main thing is or was the battery being old and needing replaced. The other things that happen were caused by me doing a wheelie. All fixed now and good as new. Besides, that was just a few dollors.

Anyways. I called the shop and explained it to them and they told me that it sounded like the charging system. I am taking it to them on Thursday and there going to test it and can tell me what is the problem.

Will let everyone know what the out come is.

Now here is the hard choice I need to try to make. When I sell it, do I get a 2004 GXSR1000 or wait a few months and go for the new 2005. Decisions decisions decisions. LOL :smilelol: I will most likely go get the 2004 and save some money.

Still, if anyone has any other idea on the problem please still let me know.
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You also might try looking at something other than a suzuki as well..you know, the zx10 is a Sweet ride!!!
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Hey Dave,

I got your messages, but I only have a chance to get online in the evenings. Anyway, I can't say I've heard of bikes draining the battery when the temp is over 248. More than likely you do have a bad component in the charging system that is being affected by the heat. Heat is the enemy of all electronics.

I am going to guess that your bad component has not completely failed but is causing the charging system to be inefficient when your bike is running hot. I'm also going to go out on a limb and say it is your voltage regulator. Of course, diagnostics over the internet are a shot in the dark at best Depending on the year of your bike, your voltage regulator may be built into the alternator and you may not be able to replace it without replacing the alternator. On some older bikes, you can get a replacement voltage regulator and solder it in. I'm not sure about the newer ones because I haven't seen too many of them fail.

The true joy of electrical problems is that they can be intermittent, mechanical failures tend to stay broken and are much easier to find. Your local shop should be able to do some basic tests to let you know if your bike is charging properly and, if it isn't, tell you what component is causing the problems.

Good luck, let us know how it goes.

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Thanks for the input. When I called my local shop the tech there told me that is also sounded like something in the charging system and they can test it on their machines and find out if it is or not and go from there. I will update everyone about it after I find out. Once again :thanx: for your help.
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OK I took it to the shop to get looked at and they told me it was the "stator". At first I thought the guy was just pronouncing the word "starter" wrong till I had him write it down for me so I know. Well n ow I looked it up on the net and found it is its own unit in the ele. unit and charging system.

Now...what does it do exactly?? and I am paying abot $300 for the parts and labor and the 30 mins of testing they did to find the problem. Does this sound about right for this stator and gaskets and labor??

Will have it ordered and fixed next week. Left bike there in the shop till then. Driving the cage till then. I hope I remember how it works. :smilelol:
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OK I took it to the shop to get looked at and they told me it was the "stator". At first I thought the guy was just pronouncing the word "starter" wrong till I had him write it down for me so I know. Well n ow I looked it up on the net and found it is its own unit in the ele. unit and charging system.

Now...what does it do exactly?? and I am paying abot $300 for the parts and labor and the 30 mins of testing they did to find the problem. Does this sound about right for this stator and gaskets and labor??

Will have it ordered and fixed next week. Left bike there in the shop till then. Driving the cage till then. I hope I remember how it works. :smilelol:
It is esentially your bike's version of a alternator. Yes it is stator! It is on the left side of your bike behind your side case on your motor. Usually the cover is bolted on by 8-10 bolts. It is a big magnet that spins and makes juice...electric juice that is!! Making sure that your battery is all charged up from the start ups and such...ya know just like your car alternator. Just think about if that went bad. How much would that cost to fix?

Hope it helps and I'm not too far off base...




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Atleast you're gettin it fixed, once and for all ...damn, no riding for a week??? that sucks buddy ...hey wait, now i have no riding partner now either :shock: :ack: oh well, I guess I'll live... Hey Twisty, Im heading over to Michigan now since DJ left me sit

Did they recommend a different battery at all for you?
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Did they recommend a different battery at all for you?

No. But I think I will get the Suzuki battery to keep it lasting longer then a off the wall market kind. They told me it won't last as long as the factory one would. I know...a whole week of not riding. Damn. I'll be ok in a week. LOL
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No. But I think I will get the Suzuki battery to keep it lasting longer then a off the wall market kind. They told me it won't last as long as the factory one would. I know...a whole week of not riding. Damn. I'll be ok in a week. LOL
Guess I'll just have to race down that Sheetz road by myself for a week :smilelol: ..hhmm I wonder who will win? me,myself, of I ? :hyper:
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i think the other dude will win. LOL
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