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Proper Break-in Procedure?

I found a very interesting article on proper break-in procedure, thanks to R1 Sharknose and his previous post to the forum providing a link. Now mind you guys this is controversial as compared to what the manual says, but from my experience I do agree with him about the fact, and I have heard it from many other mechanics, that the rings will be seated and basically broken in at around 50 miles (not that the rest of the engine is!, READ THE ARTICLE BELOW). So Read this and Let me know what you guys think... It does make some pretty good sense!

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I believe when breaking in a new engine you have several things to accomplish, and several things to avoid. Your new engine is not perfectly machined, and in the course of running for the first few hours a fair amount of metal will be worn off various engine parts and wind up in your oil. These metal chips will quickly overwhelm your oil filter, which is really not made to handle the volume of junk that happens in the first couple hours. You don't want to drive around a for a long time with a lot of metal chips in your oil.

In the first 15 to 30 minutes you run your motor, there can be very small hot spots that get to temperatures that are really not at all healthy for your motor. The motor overall is a large system and will almost certainly not overheat, but this doesn't mean every little spot on your pistons, rings, bearings, and cylinder walls is within temperature spec. Of course, you don't want to overheat your motor.

Your engine rings are probably designed to spin around the piston as your motor runs. If you run your motor for a long time at the same rpm, your rings can cut small spiral grooves in your cylinders that effect your rings sealing and lifetime.

My opinion: The bike should be started and allowed to warm up at an idle for about two minutes. This is to get the oil at something close to operating temperature. Then, ride the bike normally for about 5 miles. Stay off freeways or anywhere else that would make you maintain a constant speed. Don't lug the engine - run the engine in the mid-range rpm band, roughly 1/3 to 2/3 of the red line rpm. You want to be accelerating and decelerating, and using the engine as a brake to slow you down at times. Stop, turn off the engine, and let the engine cool for about 5 minutes. This is to even out the temperature in case there are any hot spots. Start the bike and ride for about 10 minutes, again in stop and go traffic. Stop and allow about 5 minutes for the engine temperature to even out.

Now, ride the bike fairly hard for about 25 to 50 miles. A mountain or curvy road is a good thing at this point. You can use the entire rpm band, up to and perhaps even a bit over the red line. Make sure to accelerate and decelerate a lot, using full throttle and using the engine as a brake. Notice that your owner's manual says at this point you should still be keeping the RPM under something like 4,000. I disagree with this quite strongly. Moto Man gives a good argument on why the factories give such a recommendation, which goes against all my experience and understanding and what every racing team in the universe does.

At about 50 miles, go home and change the oil and the filter. I strongly recommend you use a top quality oil filter, a Purolator Pure One, Mobil-1, Bosch, or SuperTech. I recommend you use a synthetic oil such as Shell Rotella, Mobil-1 yellow cap, or Delvac-1. If you simply can't bring yourself to use a synthetic in a new engine, use Chevron Delo-400. Don't use a 10w-30 oil. If your manufacturer recommends a 20w-50 oil, use Mobil-1 red cap or Chevron Delo-400 15w-40, which meets the high speed shear standards of a 20w-50 oil. Information on oils and oil filters is available on this web page, see the Lubricants section. When you take out your factory oil, if you hold it up in the sunlight you'll see the color is very good, it looks almost completely unused, but you'll see lots of reflections from metal flakes in the oil. These flakes are very bad for your engine, and can clog up your oil filter so that your filter bypass is activated, meaning you effectively don't have an oil filter. Notice that the factory says you should still be using the factory oil and oil filter. I think this is insane.

Corvettes and Porsches come from the factory with Mobil-1 in their engines. Remember, these engineers have designed world- champion engines for F1, Indy, Le Mans 24 hours, etc.

At this point, the bulk of your break-in is done. Your rings are substantially seated, your cylinder walls are scrubbed in, and your transmission gears have shed the bulk of their machining flaws. You can ride your bike now like it's broken in, except I recommend you try to avoid lugging the engine or running at a constant speed on the freeway for long times until after your next oil change.

When you have 500 to 800 miles on the bike, change the oil and filter again. Again, I recommend a synthetic oil, or Chevron Delo-400, or if the manufacturer recommends 20w-50 use Mobil-1 red cap or Chevron Delo-400 15w-40. If you have a drive shaft, now's the time to change your rear end gear lube. Use a good synthetic in there, like Mobil-1 or Valvoline synthetic gear lube. Continue to ride the bike normally. At this point, you can get on the freeway and drone if you simply must.

At 2000 to 2500 miles, change the oil and filter again. Your bike is now pretty much completely broken in. There will still be a small amount of break in stuff happening until up to 10,000 miles, but it's nothing you have to think about. You can now get onto a sensible oil change schedule. I recommend changing your oil every 2500 miles if you use a normal automotive oil. If you use one of the recommended synthetic oils and recommend oil filters, you can confidently go 5,000 miles between changes. I go 8,000 to 9,000 miles on an oil change, and I measure the oil viscosity and detergent after every change. A good synthetic will hold up this long in a modern water-cooled engine. Except for the Ural, every motorcycle made after about 1985 has what I consider a modern engine. Even Harleys.
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All that sounds good to me. I have never followed manufactory instructions on break-in.
I still stand by the principle that they want you to get familiar with the bike before you start twisting on it.

I have never been that thorough about it either.
Ill try to vary rpm's as much as possible and work the transmission through out the entire rang for the first 1 to 2 hundred miles. Change the oil and work my self and the bike up to my normal ridding style. After I hit the 5 to 6 hundred mile mark. Its time for new oil again. Still working up to full throttle. By the time I reach 1500 miles. Its on wide open and ridding to my full ability.

Right or wrong, that's the way I've done it for years.

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Has anyone here had an engine failure from improper break-in? I have never read or heard of any issues no matter what the break-in procedure with a bike or a car. I guess there is a difference in max horsepower based on what I've read but without a dyno and two identical bikes(which would probably show different results anyway) you'd never know it. I'm not saying that break-in isn't important. Just wondering if its ever actually caused a probem.
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Has anyone here had an engine failure from improper break-in? I have never read or heard of any issues no matter what the break-in procedure with a bike or a car. I guess there is a difference in max horsepower based on what I've read but without a dyno and two identical bikes(which would probably show different results anyway) you'd never know it. I'm not saying that break-in isn't important. Just wondering if its ever actually caused a probem.
From what I understand it can cause problems. Not apparent at first, but excessive engine wear will reduce the useful life of your bike. Possibly mean that you will have to replace the clutch sooner than you would have before? maybe the valves will wear more quickly??
I think it can be very important and should not be overlooked if you plan on keeping the bike for a long time, or if you care for it that much at all..
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i always considered it a ring seating process.
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Yeah I have always treated all my cars and bikes as I am going to keep them till they die... but something always makes me sell them earlier... oh well...




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Yeah, my bike gets better care than most anything else I have. I broke it in just about how the article says with a little longer oil change interval. Went by the book except for the rpm limitations. Just wanted to see if anyone had experienced a problem.
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If you want to through something crazy into it...

My new big dog has a "tattle box" in it for warrenty issues. It records in tenths of hours that you spend in each RPM interval, total engine running time, and the # of times you have hit the rev limiter...every time they do service on the bike they download the box...if you do your own service you have to stop by the shop and have the box downloaded...




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Thats hillarious. So do they have any stipulations in the warranty in which state how hard you can actually ride the bike?
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Not really...

The owner of the dealer said the only time they've had problems where the box played a role in the warrenty is they had some doush had hit his limiter like 50 some times in the first 3,000 miles... then he had something wrong with the motor or somin and big dog was hesitent about covering it.

But the owner also tells me that Big Dog is one of the best companies for warrenties. They don't mess around or question the mechanics, they just fix what needs to be fixed. But they are kinda covering their arses with their bikes and the 3 year warrenty that comes standard.




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If you want to through something crazy into it...

My new big dog has a "tattle box" in it for warrenty issues. It records in tenths of hours that you spend in each RPM interval, total engine running time, and the # of times you have hit the rev limiter...every time they do service on the bike they download the box...if you do your own service you have to stop by the shop and have the box downloaded...
That's G-Man
But its because the big twins don't like living at the higher rpm's.

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Well, the Big Dog have the most technology in them. Good or bad...that's a fact.




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Well, the Big Dog have the most technology in them. Good or bad...that's a fact.
They are also the closest thing to an assembly line produced chopper. The only real difference. You can still order the parts and paint you want.

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Either way I'm excited and not worried about the box!




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Trust me G Man. You will have to be very careful not to over rev it. Its nothing like what your use to.

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Ya I know...but they do have nice LED tach right in front of my face...so that should help.




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Ya I know...but they do have nice LED tach right in front of my face...so that should help.

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