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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old 06-06-2006, 02:58 PM Thread Starter
 
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(looks to be) a simple flat - noobie

Hey all, I'm new to the bike world, and unfortunately I caught a flat in the rear of the first few months of riding.

I know on a car it's fine and dandy to use fix-a-flat, but considering I'm on only 2 tires now I'm a bit more cautious (however not in a hurry to spend $$ on a new tire).



What direction should I start heading in?
Thanks!
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post #2 of 24 (permalink) Old 06-06-2006, 03:02 PM
 
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Welcome to TWF, Sonic!

Stay away from the fix-a-flat. Where is the air leaking from? A puncture or the rim or the valve stem?
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post #3 of 24 (permalink) Old 06-06-2006, 03:37 PM
 
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DO NOT USE FIX-A-FLAT!!!! You don't have a tire replacement deal from when you bought those tires? Look into it. How much would you say you can spend on a tire?
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post #4 of 24 (permalink) Old 06-06-2006, 05:00 PM
 
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I had a similiar situation a couple years ago, just bought a brand new front & back tire and installed from the local shop. In less than a month later, I took a nail to the back tire (maybe 500 miles on the tire), the owner try to tell me to just plug it & I didn't want to, so he drag out his two mechanic, thinking they would back him up & he was wrong, his mechanic agree with me, it was a bad idea. So I just had to dig into the wallet deeper again.

I would Never Ever Ever patch a motorcycle tire. Your taking the corner & your tire blows because you were too cheap to buy a new tire, so now you've lowside. Instead of spending couple hundred bucks on a new tire and be fine, now you've got a scratch/beatup bike, doctor bill, insurance deduction & etc.

You have to ask yourself "Is your 8500 bucks bike not worth an extra couple hundred dollar?"

Do you really want to plug that tire?

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Buy a new tire and continue to ride the summer away....
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I've gone with a sticky plug before and never had a problem, but it depends on where the hole is, how big it is, and what shape the tire is in. Make a good judgement on it....it's you riding on that bike....so it's your call.

Just can't go with a sticky patch on mine this time tho.
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post #7 of 24 (permalink) Old 06-06-2006, 06:25 PM
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my hubby got a nail in his brand new busa tire before we even had it 30 days, and we had to put a brand new tire on it!!
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I've gone with a sticky plug before and never had a problem, but it depends on where the hole is, how big it is, and what shape the tire is in. Make a good judgement on it....it's you riding on that bike....so it's your call.

Just can't go with a sticky patch on mine this time tho.

I agree here, I have put a sticky plug in and rode till the tire was no good anymore, with no porblems. I think it is really up to you and your money situation. I think they are fone though!
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post #9 of 24 (permalink) Old 06-06-2006, 07:32 PM
 
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The only patch I would get is the one they put on the inside of the tire.
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I would Never Ever Ever patch a motorcycle tire. Your taking the corner & your tire blows because you were too cheap to buy a new tire, so now you've lowside. Instead of spending couple hundred bucks on a new tire and be fine, now you've got a scratch/beatup bike, doctor bill, insurance deduction & etc.

You have to ask yourself "Is your 8500 bucks bike not worth an extra couple hundred dollar?"

Do you really want to plug that tire?

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Correction: plugged tires do not cause explosions (tires aren't balloons). The worst event will be a slow leak from a plug. which everyone knows that a 10 psi leak will make the bike handle like a harley. I can tell if my tire is 5 psi low.

I had a previous post on plugging my rear tyre at around 500 miles. it's about 4k miles now and still no leaks. (I've raced on plugged tires before)

To check for leaks:
fill er up with air
spray on or pour on soapy water on suspected areas
the leak will blow bubbles
don't forget to wet the valve stem and rims

I recommend the gummy plugs. the solid rubber ones are not good and the inside patch is a pain in the arse to do correctly.

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I caught a piece of metal in my rear tire a couple of weeks ago. It was only by chance that I caught it. I happened to check my pressure and noticed it was down 20 psi. I filled it with air and proceeded to check the front. The front tire still had the correct psi which caused me to go back and look at the rear, at which time I found the puncture.

I used a gooey plug and the tire held adequate pressure. I went on a ride that following Sunday and noticed that the rear would shake when I approached excessive speed. I rode it again last Thursday and rear didn't feel any better. I check the pressure again, which had no change, but obviously something is wrong. I ordered new qualifiers last friday and waiting for them to come in. My puncture was in the middle of the tire in one of the treads.
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post #12 of 24 (permalink) Old 06-06-2006, 10:34 PM Thread Starter
 
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great response!

I was a bit skeptical about using fix-a-flat. The dynamics and life importance of a tire on a bike is more more involved than that on a car. Considering the tire is quite new, and the leak seems small (gradual leak), I'm going to try the inside patch.

Thanks a million for the help, I'll post results when I get to em... I gotta get back on the road soon!
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Again Sonic... as already said...don't use the fix a flat in your MC... but you also shouldn't use it on your car. That stuff destroys crap. Destroys your tire and sticks to your rim.

How many TWF'ers remember when Bulldog did this?




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Again Sonic... as already said...don't use the fix a flat in your MC... but you also shouldn't use it on your car. That stuff destroys crap. Destroys your tire and sticks to your rim.

How many TWF'ers remember when Bulldog did this?
Yeah i remember I was a @$# g&%# Piece of $%#& and a no good Muth#$ $%&#@* for telling him if he couldnt even fix a tire he shouldnt be riding. And he went out the next day and crashed the bike?
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Again Sonic... as already said...don't use the fix a flat in your MC... but you also shouldn't use it on your car. That stuff destroys crap. Destroys your tire and sticks to your rim.

How many TWF'ers remember when Bulldog did this?

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Yeah i remember I was a @$# g&%# Piece of $%#& and a no good Muth#$ $%&#@* for telling him if he couldnt even fix a tire he shouldnt be riding. And he went out the next day and crashed the bike?
Yup I remember it all too well. Man he was a F'n idiot!
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Don't plug. Only plug out on the road to get you back to safety...then replace the tire. It's your azz on that tire. I wouldn't ride on a plug.

I've put fix a flat in a tire...in an emergency. Then I took it to the shop the next day and had it done right.

You do what you gotta do to get home. Then fix it right.



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Don't plug. Only plug out on the road to get you back to safety...then replace the tire. It's your azz on that tire. I wouldn't ride on a plug.
You should at least explain why you wouldn't ride on a plug. I hope you don't think your tire will explode.
I don't plug on the road, considering, I don't have compressed air available.
I should send this one to mythbusters: do plugged tires explode on hard cornering?

Still, I haven't heard of a valid arguement against plugged tires for either cars or motorcycles. BTW, i was once a certified Michelin tire specialist and was trained on the proper procedure for patching tires.

But don't take my word on it, listen to others with less experience. Also, listen to those dealership mechanics about plugged tires. Would they plug a tire for $20 or sell a tire for $200? you decide.

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You should at least explain why you wouldn't ride on a plug. I hope you don't think your tire will explode.
I don't plug on the road, considering, I don't have compressed air available.
I should send this one to mythbusters: do plugged tires explode on hard cornering?

Still, I haven't heard of a valid arguement against plugged tires for either cars or motorcycles. BTW, i was once a certified Michelin tire specialist and was trained on the proper procedure for patching tires.

But don't take my word on it, listen to others with less experience. Also, listen to those dealership mechanics about plugged tires. Would they plug a tire for $20 or sell a tire for $200? you decide.

-a|ex
Listen man. I never said listen to me. This guy and anyone is free to do whatever they choose. I wouldn't ride on a patched tire. Not b/c I think it would explode. That never crossed my mind. The tire has been comprimised. Thats not for me. I would rather spend the jack on a new skin than ride around doubting my tire. Maybe my thoughts aren't justified, but thats me and thats how I feel.

I'm not made of money but I would much rather have a solid tire than a patch job.

I don't doubt your info. You know more than I do. But you don't ride my bike, I do. And I dont ride your bike. Thats just how it's going down on my ride...new tire. No patch.



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I've plugged many car tires and never had a problem. However I have 3 other tires on the car. With a bike, I would plug as a temporary fix, but for any serious hard riding I wouldn't trust a plug. Putting the plug in won't make the tire explode at random and the plug isnt going to come out, however the structure of the tire is damaged (i.e. the cords and carcass that hold the whole tire together) by a puncture by debris.
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Isn't this an age old debate?

I have and will again when needed plug a tire on my bike to get me home. If its the front, Ill replace it first chance I get. If its the rear, I may run the tire its life with out concern. If puncture is bad. (near side wall or large) I will replace it.

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