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post #1 of 67 (permalink) Old 02-22-2007, 06:15 PM Thread Starter
 
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New 07 Gsxr600. Big problem

Hello everyone, Well i made a dumb decision and bought a 07 gsxr600 with no sportbike experience. I didnt do any research before, Dumb i know. Just kinda went to the dealer and looked around and picked one. Obviously i picked the coolest looking bike there. When i got home i did some research on it and realized about a billion people say no to 600cc and beginners. I thought a 600cc wasnt to very powerfull at first. considering what i thought where the "big boys"..the 1000's where in the showroom floor also. IM thinking more level headed now. so i realize my mistake. Please don't pound me for it. Anyways. It is a little scary. I rode the bike home with no problems. (never rode one before). Speed limit was 45mph, 2 sharp turns. I didnt have to "countersteer" as i heard. Just leaned into it just like i turn on my honda cr250r. And i didnt have to keep this bike wound out, I could let it idle and take off slowly by letting out clutch slowly which is what i did. Funny thing is i didnt test the bike like i usually do. I rode home calmly and parked it. I feel like if i tried to test without knowing the power i would of been hurting right now. All because i didnt research. SO now im stuck with this thing for a while. And when i didnt know its power (on the way home). I was fine on it. Now that i know its power. It scares me. Any tips here? To help me ride it super safely. or any advice? thanks
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post #2 of 67 (permalink) Old 02-22-2007, 10:44 PM
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Take the MSF course ASAP!!! Make sure you have proper gear and read!!! If it turns out this bike intimidates you too much to really enjoy it, sell it and consider it lesson learned!!

{Don't feel bad, I did the same thing when I bought my RR, then I got a smaller bike till I learned how to ride and then moved back up to my 600}

It sounds like you already have a lil experience with your cr250...so you arent a complete NEWB and you are wise enough to know this may be more than you need, which will make you be cautious!! and keep us posted!

I deleted your other thread since it was basically a repost...
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post #3 of 67 (permalink) Old 02-22-2007, 11:05 PM
 
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Take the MSF course and take it slow. You will be fine.
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post #4 of 67 (permalink) Old 02-22-2007, 11:33 PM
 
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Like these guys are saying. Take the MSF course. Go easy. Don't try to keep up with your buddy's. That'll get you hurt.

Go to a parking lot and get to know your bike. Go slow and be easy.

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post #5 of 67 (permalink) Old 02-23-2007, 12:15 AM Thread Starter
 
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Thanks guys, its the red/black. i don't have the biker typefriends to ride with really, (So no one to try and push me beyond my skill level) I live in florida and the bike was going to be to get to work and back. plus nice to look at. Ive already went through my phase of showing off with motorcross back in the teens. Speed limit is 45 here and thats the highest speed i plain on. Unless its bad for the bike not to push it some times. Which i wouldnt imagine so. Im a little worried about the supposed twitchy throttle. I was fairly easy to take off though. It did shoot off pretty good without any throttle when i eased the clutch off. So i can keep it pretty low here and reved low. Thanks. ANy other tips you can offer are appreciated
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post #6 of 67 (permalink) Old 02-23-2007, 12:25 AM
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be careful, and definetly listen to these guys on here with
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that's about all i can offer as a fellow noob.

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Ok i found a frame by frame video of Counter-steering. Im pretty sure i get it. I tried it on my bicycle going downhill fast, It worked. But, Assumeing im going on my new rocket and i'm going to counter-steer on a left turn. So i push the left handle to go left. I obviousely have to straighten the handlebars back up In the turn or i will fall over and eat it right? I dont see holding a counter--steer through a whole curve as a working technique. But more of a way to eat pavement quickly. So after i countersteer to get into the lean. What happens? thanks guys for the replies!
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You don't actually turn the bars. Once you lean into a corner you SLOWLY and SMOOTHLY add throttle to hold your lean angle. As you begin to stand the bike back up you increase throttle.



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SO basically what im hearing is push a bit on the right right side of the handlebar to go right. And left for left. And im assumeing this is a very slight pressure your putting on the handlebars. and you lean some too while applying the pressure on the handlebars and once you get this down a few times i should be good? Sorry for my misunderstanding.
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SO basically what im hearing is push a bit on the right right side of the handlebar to go right. And left for left. And im assumeing this is a very slight pressure your putting on the handlebars. and you lean some too while applying the pressure on the handlebars and once you get this down a few times i should be good? Sorry for my misunderstanding.
Basically...the harder you push the faster you turn in. If you shift your weight over in the seat a little you'll corner a bit better too.

Check out the book "Sport Riding Techniques" by Nick Ienatsch...it's got great information.





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Thanks. Thing is i've never heard of counter steering before. Ive had my honda cr250r motocross bike for a while now. I zip up and down the road all the time going 60. So would i of been doing it subconiously the whole time? why would i have a problem if i plain on going even less then 60 on this bike? Im sure it can't only be for sportbikes though. So i must of been doing it before
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Thanks. Thing is i've never heard of counter steering before. Ive had my honda cr250r motocross bike for a while now. I zip up and down the road all the time going 60. So would i of been doing it subconiously the whole time? why would i have a problem if i plain on going even less then 60 on this bike? Im sure it can't only be for sportbikes though. So i must of been doing it before
Yeah you've probly been doing it the whole time.



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with everything these folks have posted

When you've got the time, go for a cruise to further familiarize yourself with the nuances of turning a streetbike. The whole counter-steering thing can easily be tested & understood in a long sweeping corner. Once you're in the turn & set, gently push on one of the bars & feel what happens. You'll find that sooner, rather than later, it'll become as natural as twisting the throttle.

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Defiantly take the MSF pal, they will teach you everything from the ground up, and since you said you've been riding a 250 already they will probably fix a lot of the stuff you already do wrong.

The biggest thing you'll get out of it though is experience and that leads to confidence, which is what your problem seems to be right now.

You can only get so much out of a book, and w/ the MSF course they are right there in a controlled environment to tell you what you did wrong and what you did right. They go over counter steering, swerving, braking, turn apex's, counter weighting, signaling, and most importantly SAFETY. Just don't ride up on your gixxer and expect them not to give you a hard time about it.
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post #16 of 67 (permalink) Old 02-23-2007, 02:19 PM
 
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bigger mistake, but oh well

I've never owned a bike and I asked around for something that is fast yet manueverable and the gxxr 750 06 kept coming up. Guess what, I got it. I haven't ridden in 11 years & I got the top of the line gxxr 750 06. It hasn't really scared me at all, but ofcourse I've my episodes already. kid jumped in front of me in the parking lot & it was either hit the kid or lay the bike down. i was pissed and screamed at the kid &his parents. I can't help but to think if I had taken a msf course and had experience that could had been avoided. I get by now by just knowing my limits and plan on taking a msf course soon. I do love my bike.
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Same thing happend to me when i first got my bike, cept this was an old lady in a linchon star cruiser. It still erks me that if the same thing happend to me now i'd be able to avoid it, but just be glad that nobody was hurt and only minimal damage was done to your bike. some people learn their lessons at 65 MPH.



something i still have to stress to the new guys is PAY DOUBLE ATTENTION IN PARKING LOTS. people are not paying attention at all and nobody follows the rules. after all the trouble i've had in them i'm going to be parking my bike FAR from any cagers if i can.
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eith above posts you will probably be fine if you have been riding fast dirt bikes. take the msf that is the main thing and buy good gear. I would say you have been instinctively countersteering all along I realize that I used to do it when I was a kid on my bike.
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Take the MSF ASAP!! The best $ you will ever spend.

Just take it slow. I started WAAAY above my head (ZX-10R), but I ride within my limits and realize that I will be a "beginner" for a long time on this bike.

Countersteering... You are already countersteering when you refer to "leaning" the bike. You just don't realize it. Look up Keith Code's no BS bike that he using in his motorcycle classes.

Stick around. There is a lot of good info here.
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Same thing happend to me when i first got my bike, cept this was an old lady in a linchon star cruiser. It still erks me that if the same thing happend to me now i'd be able to avoid it, but just be glad that nobody was hurt and only minimal damage was done to your bike. some people learn their lessons at 65 MPH.



something i still have to stress to the new guys is PAY DOUBLE ATTENTION IN PARKING LOTS. people are not paying attention at all and nobody follows the rules. after all the trouble i've had in them i'm going to be parking my bike FAR from any cagers if i can.
That minimal damage cost me like 1,500 bucks. Once my bike dropped it completely ruined the fairing. I didn't have any frame sliders on the bike than the seat completely bent and I had to get a new one. And that little cover box was leaking oil where the gears are. I still don't know all the terminology of my bike. I just like to refer to my bike as "Baby". It would had been cheaper to hit the kid because the kids was fullly insured, but my bike isn't. Yeah, ya'll watch the parking lots in apartments.. Damn kids!!!
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