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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old 03-08-2007, 11:38 PM Thread Starter
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Frame on '01 Katana 600

I did a bit of damage on the frame of my '01 Katana 600. The couple of opinions I got were not to fix it and just get a new frame. I'm wondering if I'm limited to buying an actual Katana 600 frame or if there are any other frames that would work.

Maybe someone could also tell me if it can be repaired.... don't know what kind of info anyone would need to give me an idea if it's worth fixing or not. The damage is mainly to the VIN plate section from what I can see. It's like someone took a hammer and put a nice dent in it. Any other info I can provide for an accurate answer I'll be glad to post.
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Possibly an old school gixxer frame (pre-1995) MAY work. Post pics of your bike.

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Do you know what happened to the frame it has? just asking because when you have one damaged spot, there may be more un noticed damage.

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I'll have some pics in a bit.

The bike was wrecked by me but I don't remember what happened. From what I've been told the bike went flying in the air into a guard rail. From the looks of things the fork is what did the damage to the frame. The rear section must have taken a hit because the right side of the tail end is bent a bit. The damage is pretty much only the right side of the bike. The gas tank was pretty much crushed in on one side.

Now that I'm thinking about it, I do have a couple of pics before the bike was stripped.

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I took a few different pics of different angles. Shrunk all the pics to ~800x600. Didn't want to shrink them too small due to the loss of detail.








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Man, that engine looks familiar. I dont think you can get away with anything but a Kat frame in this case...unless you are willing and skilled enough to do some serious modification to mount the engine.

I would venture to guess that repairing your current frame is out of the question.


Your best bet may be to call a Suzuki dealer and ask them if a pre-1995 GSXR frame would work. Your engine is based on the engine in my bike...a 92 GSXR. My guess is they may mount into the frame very similarly.



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I took a few different pics of different angles. Shrunk all the pics to ~800x600. Didn't want to shrink them too small due to the loss of detail.


I'd say you definitely need a new frame. But the above picture is the one that concerns me. Can that crack be repaired? Doesn't look like it from the picture. It looks like that's part of the case, which means the case needs to be replaced.

I'm thinking your bike is a total loss and with as much as you'd spend to fix it, you might as well buy another bike.

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I'm thinking your bike is a total loss and with as much as you'd spend to fix it, you might as well buy another bike.
I'm thinking the same thing. by the time you got another frame, new engine case, replaced the forks, and got it all put together and registered, it would have been just as cheap to buy another bike.

what I suggest you do, is strip the good parts off the bike, chop up the frame and forks, and part out whats left on ebay, then buy another bike.

What happened is the bike was laid down on the right side presumably, something caught the wheel and SLAMMED the fork into the frame, as is obvious by the bend in the fork and the frame thus the damage.

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It's a good thing someone asked for pics, I wouldn't have noticed that crack in the mount for a few weeks. I was figuring I could have that cracked mount welded. Since the frame is steel could I just weld a steel plate where the fork hit? As for the rear section.. heat it up and bend it back into place?
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its not worth it to fix a damaged frame like that one. if its dented like that and the subframe is bent, the entire frame may be bent too, so I wouldnt bother with it.

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Wishful thinking. Maybe I will go with parting it out after all.
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How exactly can I find out if the frame is bent anywhere else?
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Wishful thinking. Maybe I will go with parting it out after all.
I would have to agree here. Sometimes we just hate to come to the realization that something we loved is no longer worth keeping. But if you have your heart set on this bike being fixed, price everything out. New frame (because I don't think that one can be fixed), new case, new forks, new wheels, new handlebars, new tank, new plastics, new paint...you see where I'm going with this. Then price a used '01 Katana. By the way, when I had a 99 Katana, new plastics alone were over $400 from the dealer. I bought used off eBay for 1/4 the price and had them painted when my bike went down. But I think you just have WAY too much damage done to that bike to spend less than the cost of another bike.

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New frame (because I don't think that one can be fixed), new case, new forks, new wheels, new handlebars, new tank, new plastics, new paint...you see where I'm going with this.
What's the exact name of the 'case' part I need?
I take it there's no way to make sure the current wheels are ok?
Plastics I was just going to weld back together.
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What's the exact name of the 'case' part I need?
I take it there's no way to make sure the current wheels are ok?
Plastics I was just going to weld back together.
I can't tell exactly from the pics, but let me get my old dinosaur of a computer up and running and I'll see if I still have a katana parts list saved as a favorite from when I had the Kat. I'll post again in a bit.

As for the wheels, you need to make sure they aren't bent, cracked or out of round. You can easily examine for bends or cracks. As far as being out of round, take a piece of string and measure from the center to the outer edge at any point. As you rotate the string around the wheel's edge, you'll see that it's the same distance all the way around. If not, the wheel is out of round and will need to be replaced. If any of the spokes are cracked, or the rim is bent, the wheel will need to be replaced. It's not like a car wheel where a bent rim isn't the end of the world. You're only riding on two wheels, so they need to be in good condition, or you could easily go down again with no warning.

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Looks like it's the lower part of your crankcase, which means you'll have to take the engine out, and apart to replace it.

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to determine if the frame is bent, you could take it to a shop that specializes in such matters, but I would bet they'd laugh at you asking that if they saw the dent in the side of it, and the condition of the subframe. with all the good parts on that bike though, you should be able to get at least a couple hundred, maybe a thousand bucks out of it. if you sold the motor piece by piece you could probably get a few more bucks out of it.

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Well for the crankcase, couldn't that crack just be welded? After all, once welded it should be stronger than it was in the first place.
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I'd say you definitely need a new frame. But the above picture is the one that concerns me. Can that crack be repaired? Doesn't look like it from the picture. It looks like that's part of the case, which means the case needs to be replaced.

I'm thinking your bike is a total loss and with as much as you'd spend to fix it, you might as well buy another bike.
I didn't even notice that crack the first time I looked. Time to cut your losses man. Don't even worry about welding that sucker. Just gather up the good parts and put them on eBay.



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