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post #1 of 37 (permalink) Old 04-05-2006, 12:21 PM Thread Starter
 
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more busa rumors-

its nice to entertain the thought of a 6cyl Busa-
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Six-cylinder Hayabusa
Suzuki’s next Hayabusa is set to be a stunning six-cylinder, super-fast mile-muncher according to sources in Japan.
With the arrival of Kawasaki’s 200mph+ ZZ-R1400 the factory is now flat-out creating a machine to beat it.
Sources say we should look at the Stratosphere concept bike for the biggest hint about the next Hayabusa.
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In my article a few weeks ago about the hyper-touring class, I mentioned persistent rumors that Suzuki had been developing a new Hayabusa for release as a 2006 model, before deciding to hold off til 2007 and then hit the market with a machine whose sole purpose is to blow Kawasaki's new ZX-14 right out of the water.

When you paint a target on the back of a bike like the ZX-14, which makes almost 200 flywheel horsepower and offers incredible performance, you better bring a big gun if you're hoping to win the shootout. What kind of big gun is Suzuki loading for 2007? Only their engineers know for sure, but rumor says it might be a six-shooter - that is, an inline six-cylinder motor.

Back in December, when I wrote about the six-cylinder Stratosphere concept bike Suzuki showed at the Tokyo Motor Show, I mentioned Suzuki's recent propensity for turning concept bikes into production models, and speculated that the Stratosphere might be a preview of Suzuki's intentions to build a six-cylinder production bike in the near future. Such a move would certainly be an attention-grabber in a market over-saturated with inline four-cylinders, and what better place to direct that attention than a range-topping model like the Hayabusa?

In addition to the publicity benefits, a six-cylinder Hayabusa would have practical advantages as well. If you check back to my article about different engine configurations in MotoGP, you'll find an in-depth explanation of why a motor with more cylinders can make more horsepower with the same displacement and level of tune. The bottom line is, a 1300cc inline-six could very easily make 220hp at the crank, and the possibility of even higher output definitely exists. In a class where horsepower and acceleration rule, we can't see where Suzuki could go wrong with a six-cylinder Hayabusa.
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That would be one WIIIIIIIIDE bike! A V-6 makes a little more sense for a bike that supposed to be able to handle corners (at least a little).
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The V motor has a hard time with hp while the torque is on par.
We know the Busa is over due a redesign and we know they have to try and beat the ZX14.

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Well, there's always gearing for the HP issue. Still, the Busa is already a very large bike. Very wide as well and I just can't see an inline 6 sport bike with any kind of cornering ability at all. The Busa now is limited on cornering due to the long wheelbase and weight but an inline 6 nis going to make it that much heavier and wider making it even less of a sport bike. Might as well just dub it a forward riding position cruiser.

Also, if they want to beat the ZX14, get the weight under control. 480# dry weight is just nuts!
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Well, there's always gearing for the HP issue. Still, the Busa is already a very large bike. Very wide as well and I just can't see an inline 6 sport bike with any kind of cornering ability at all. The Busa now is limited on cornering due to the long wheelbase and weight but an inline 6 nis going to make it that much heavier and wider making it even less of a sport bike. Might as well just dub it a forward riding position cruiser.

Also, if they want to beat the ZX14, get the weight under control. 480# dry weight is just nuts!
I don't think were looking at another CBX. Today technology will produce a 6 not much or no wider than the current big 4's.

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I don't think were looking at another CBX. Today technology will produce a 6 not much or no wider than the current big 4's.
that was one of the points made about the Stratosphere Inline 6 concept, that it was quite narrow for an I6. Looks like that concept may have been more of a motor debut than a styling test after all.
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I don't think were looking at another CBX. Today technology will produce a 6 not much or no wider than the current big 4's.
Hmm, good point.
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with AUDIOMECHANIC. They tried the V-concept on the TL's and they trashed that concept. The torque was there but nothing else. I think that they will give the Busa a diet in the engine as well as the chassis. Going with lighter material such as Chromoly will help a lot. In fact, the fastest bike out there is the Busa Z from YOSHI. Check it out on their webe page. POPS did a awesome job on this and I personally think this is the way the Busa will be heading.
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with AUDIOMECHANIC. They tried the V-concept on the TL's and they trashed that concept. The torque was there but nothing else. I think that they will give the Busa a diet in the engine as well as the chassis. Going with lighter material such as Chromoly will help a lot. In fact, the fastest bike out there is the Busa Z from YOSHI. Check it out on their webe page. POPS did a awesome job on this and I personally think this is the way the Busa will be heading.
Not only that, but I do'nt think that more moving parts is going to make a very big difference. More cylinders doesn't equate to more power but it DOES equate to more friction. Suzuki needs to lighten that bad boy up, and go with more inovative changes, such as a direct injection system or variable valve timing. Increasing displacement wouldn't be a bad idea but I do not believe they need two more cylinders to achieve this.
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Not only that, but I do'nt think that more moving parts is going to make a very big difference. More cylinders doesn't equate to more power but it DOES equate to more friction. Suzuki needs to lighten that bad boy up, and go with more inovative changes, such as a direct injection system or variable valve timing. Increasing displacement wouldn't be a bad idea but I do not believe they need two more cylinders to achieve this.
i disagree, more cylinders of the same dispacement can make more hp. Of course im using the obvious HP superiority of 1000cc I4's to 1000cc twins as my basis for this conclusion.
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Of course, compression and the way the motor is set up does come into play. If the I4 has 12:1 compression and the twin has 10:1 and is setup in a "V" configuration, than yes it will make less HP. I can't think of a 1000cc high compression I2 to compare to the I4 of similar displacement and compression but I'd bet they'd be pretty close. And, depending on the combustion chamber design of the twin, it may come out more powerful than the I4 but less efficient due to larger single combustion chambers.
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Just like the Dodge V10. A six can make much more power but will need some CC's to accomplish the task at hand.

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True, but the same can be accomplished in less space with 4 cylinders. Even with today's technology, an inline 6 with quite a bit more displacement than 1300 is going to be wide. Unless they find a way to make the pistons and cylinders oblong shaped.
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My fault. It is a Busa X-1. Here are some specs that came from Yoshis Japan Site.










TORQUEF142.2Nm (14.5kgm) / 8,000rpm
WEIGHT:198kg (DRY) STD : 215kg
MOTORCYCLE GSX1300R 2000Model
ENGINE PARTS Tri-Oval Titanium Cyclone Exhaust System
Pipe : Titanium / Silencer : Carbon
ƒÓ81 High Compression PistonKit (12.0:1 Forged)
ST-1 Camshaft Set
TUNING UP
(ENGINE) Cylinder Head Porting
Valve Polished
SPECIFICATIONS POWERF142kw(193ps) / 10,000rpm& Lightened
Dyno Tested
Re-assemblled by YOSHIMURA FACTORY
BMC Air Filter
TUNING UP
(CHASSIS) Original Oil Lock Piece,Piston Valve Shim & Oil Height
CHASSIS PARTS Aluminium Fuel Tank Capacity : 24Litter
Fairing Kit Upper,Lower, Carbon Front Fender, Seat, Screen, Tool Box, Seat Rail, Mirror, Head Light (High : Halogen / Low : HID),Turn Signal etc.
Fairing: Coloring YOSHIMURA Original Colour(Red & Gun Metal)
Magnesium Step Kit Adjustable Back: 19 or 31mm/UP: 49 or 61mm
Hydraulic Houses Front Brak, Rear Brake and Clutch Hoses
Digital Dual Temp Meter Set Water & Oil Temperatures,Voltage,time & Stopwatch
Chassis Protector
Brake Pad Set
OTHERS Racing Stand
Serial Number : Cylinder Head
Serial Number : Original Name Plate Yoshimura Hayabusa X-1 Book
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