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So I have decided that I want to upgrade machines for next season... I could dump a ton of money into my 500 Ninja or just look for something better all around... I've decided I'd like another twin, but there aren't a whole lot of options... I don't think I am ready for a liter bike, but at the same time I don't think the Ninja 650 and SV650 would give me the leap in performance I am looking for... Just when I am thinking, "screw it, get a newer 600 and upgrade later"... Then I find this...

Before I make any decisions (as I am not especially in a hurry) I want to research this more, but was curious about everyone's thoughts on the subject... From what I have read kits such as this work well and do not jeopardize realiability too much...

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A friend just bought a new red SV650S two days ago. It's already lowered and looks SWEET! I'm a larger rider (230 pounds) and it carries me pretty well, but it's sure not fast. I'm not convinced that the kit you referred to could boost the performance a heck of a lot. Also, the dependability would probably suffer. After all, the bike is still not going to perform like a GSXR600. Now that's what you need! Good luck!
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A friend just bought a new red SV650S two days ago. It's already lowered and looks SWEET! I'm a larger rider (230 pounds) and it carries me pretty well, but it's sure not fast. I'm not convinced that the kit you referred to could boost the performance a heck of a lot. Also, the dependability would probably suffer. After all, the bike is still not going to perform like a GSXR600. Now that's what you need! Good luck!
I am stuck on the twin... I am not really wanting to get a RR because I ride street... I have no plans for track time and have no need to go 150+mph... I really like the broader torque curves that the twins offer...

That kit claims to give a 15+hp increase which is very significant over stock... My question would be if they have dyno's to back that up... and what the torque curves look like... AND if they guarantee similar results... There are other kits out there, but this was the first I have seen and according to several non-partisan articles the motors can readily handle kits such as this with the only major problem seeming to be the crank which likes to go boom over 90hp...

for your feedback...

Keep it coming folks!
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Some people just dont understand the twin...



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I would post this up at SVrider.com and see what kind of response you get. I know I wouldn't do it to my bike without some kind of a review of it from a second party not involved with that site that has put some miles on the bike.

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find some people that have done it. I'd particularly check the svrider racing section of the forum because I do know that a lot of racers do things like that with their SV's but I would still question long-term reliability
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I heard rumors of Zuki boosting the SV650 to an SV750 for 2008. Not sure how accurate this info is, but it is a possibility.
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I heard rumors of Zuki boosting the SV650 to an SV750 for 2008. Not sure how accurate this info is, but it is a possibility.
That would be killer.



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I heard rumors of Zuki boosting the SV650 to an SV750 for 2008. Not sure how accurate this info is, but it is a possibility.
I don't think they will do that, it would ruin that bikes track racing. It would get bumped up in class and get dominated by the I4s. The 650 is already in the perfect market and sells well, I doubt they touch the engine size for a long time to come.

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Anytime you do something like this, reliability will be an issue. If its taken care of. Not overworked and serviced regularly. You shouldn't have a problem. I know a few guys that have done it to their old race bikes and love it. They have no problem keeping up with the I4's but still fall short on top-end.

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To paraphrase a mantra from the 1960's: "There's nothing like cubic centimeters." If I had a SV650 and really loved the bike, I would definately install the kit. Cheaper insurance and satisfaction of doing it yourself. Your problem is you don't have an SV presently and can you do most of the work yourself? Plus, with the extra power, you will have to upgrade the marginal suspension and the brakes too. I would compare the cost of all the mods to just going out and getting a used Aprilia Mille.
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So I have decided that I want to upgrade machines for next season... I could dump a ton of money into my 500 Ninja or just look for something better all around... I've decided I'd like another twin, but there aren't a whole lot of options... I don't think I am ready for a liter bike, but at the same time I don't think the Ninja 650 and SV650 would give me the leap in performance I am looking for... Just when I am thinking, "screw it, get a newer 600 and upgrade later"... Then I find this...

Before I make any decisions (as I am not especially in a hurry) I want to research this more, but was curious about everyone's thoughts on the subject... From what I have read kits such as this work well and do not jeopardize realiability too much...

i totally understand that you want to stick with a twin. And i am like minded. No denying the power of the I4's, but twins are 'sweet' and on the street they work for you anywhere and everywhere in the powerband.

ive been researching the 750 kits for a while now and read alot on the WERA, CCS, ect. boards. What ive seen is that the first gen SV's handle the kits well. They last in race conditions. Now on the 2nd gen bikes, there is a problem that occurs with the cranks. Besides, the first gen SV's are CHEAP! You can pick 2 of them up for the price of 1 similar year supersport. CHEAP, a ton of parts, and sooooo easy to work on.

Ive heard also about the 08 SV being a 700- 750cc machine. The reason behind is because of new Euro 3 emission regulations. to make more HP out of the 650 would create alot of exp emission parts. So a move to a bigger motor will give more HP and meet thougher emission standards. But we will see what they will do.

P.S. if you do look into an SV, 99-01 (1st gen) sv's have non adjustable forks. 02 (1st gen)- 03 and up (2nd gen) have preload adjustable forks. (if it matters to you )
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I would post this up at SVrider.com and see what kind of response you get. I know I wouldn't do it to my bike without some kind of a review of it from a second party not involved with that site that has put some miles on the bike.
I have skimmed through the various SV forums/websites and found mixed opinions... Some have done a 700cc upgrade with no ill effects, but it seems as though you can get the same performance without digging that far into the motor... Some have talked about the 744cc kit the website I cited sells, but again mixed opinions... The general concensus is it's playing with fire, but no real-world experience backs up the claims...

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i totally understand that you want to stick with a twin. And i am like minded. No denying the power of the I4's, but twins are 'sweet' and on the street they work for you anywhere and everywhere in the powerband.

ive been researching the 750 kits for a while now and read alot on the WERA, CCS, ect. boards. What ive seen is that the first gen SV's handle the kits well. They last in race conditions. Now on the 2nd gen bikes, there is a problem that occurs with the cranks. Besides, the first gen SV's are CHEAP! You can pick 2 of them up for the price of 1 similar year supersport. CHEAP, a ton of parts, and sooooo easy to work on.

Ive heard also about the 08 SV being a 700- 750cc machine. The reason behind is because of new Euro 3 emission regulations. to make more HP out of the 650 would create alot of exp emission parts. So a move to a bigger motor will give more HP and meet thougher emission standards. But we will see what they will do.

P.S. if you do look into an SV, 99-01 (1st gen) sv's have non adjustable forks. 02 (1st gen)- 03 and up (2nd gen) have preload adjustable forks. (if it matters to you )
Hmm... Thanks for the info... I only heard of problems with the cranks, but nothing was specified about the different generations being less or more susceptible to failure... I'd probably do the GSXR front end upgrade anyway so the forks aren't as much of a concern... The thing is, I LOVE the newer style frames! Mmm... the black with hard lines... Now if the newer ones came with the blacked out motor too... I guess that's just something I could do on my own...
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To paraphrase a mantra from the 1960's: "There's nothing like cubic centimeters." If I had a SV650 and really loved the bike, I would definately install the kit. Cheaper insurance and satisfaction of doing it yourself. Your problem is you don't have an SV presently and can you do most of the work yourself? Plus, with the extra power, you will have to upgrade the marginal suspension and the brakes too. I would compare the cost of all the mods to just going out and getting a used Aprilia Mille.
If I do go with the SV650, increasing the output will be mandatory... Unless of course I am creating a crotch grenade, then in that case I'll avoid it... As far as doing the work myself... I am pretty mechanically inclined, but am not very knowledgable... Basically I am good working with my hands, I just have very little engine experience... The good news is, my dad has been a mechanic for40 years so I will certainly be enlisting his help...

I appreciate all the feedback guys, keep it coming... Another question... Does anyone know anybody or met anyone that has milked out an SV650... perhaps a track day acquaintance... So I can get a better feel for real world reliability...
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Anytime you do something like this, reliability will be an issue. If its taken care of. Not overworked and serviced regularly. You shouldn't have a problem. I know a few guys that have done it to their old race bikes and love it. They have no problem keeping up with the I4' but still fall short on top-end.
I missed this one somehow...

So you're saying that I won't be rebuilding the engine every 1000 miles? That's good to know... Next question... There are a ton of kits out there, most popular being a 700cc kit... Do the guys you know have that or one similar to the one I posted (744cc)?
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i totally understand that you want to stick with a twin. And i am like minded. No denying the power of the I4's, but twins are 'sweet' and on the street they work for you anywhere and everywhere in the powerband.

ive been researching the 750 kits for a while now and read alot on the WERA, CCS, ect. boards. What ive seen is that the first gen SV's handle the kits well. They last in race conditions. Now on the 2nd gen bikes, there is a problem that occurs with the cranks. Besides, the first gen SV's are CHEAP! You can pick 2 of them up for the price of 1 similar year supersport. CHEAP, a ton of parts, and sooooo easy to work on.

Ive heard also about the 08 SV being a 700- 750cc machine. The reason behind is because of new Euro 3 emission regulations. to make more HP out of the 650 would create alot of exp emission parts. So a move to a bigger motor will give more HP and meet thougher emission standards. But we will see what they will do.



P.S. if you do look into an SV, 99-01 (1st gen) sv's have non adjustable forks. 02 (1st gen)- 03 and up (2nd gen) have preload adjustable forks. (if it matters to you )

Yep that exactly what I heard, Euro 3.
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Another option for you: Ducati 750 or 900SS models
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Another option for you: Ducati 750 or 900SS models
The only thing with the Ducs that don't meet my criteria is cheap... Bike itself and parts... Looking to get away under 5k with all the modifications I would be making... My idea is to make it as ugly and scary looking as possible... Planning on cutting off the rear seat, removing the upper fairing (if it has one) and going bare minimum with everything... No gauges, no passenger accomodations, and barely any exhaust... Again... ugly... scary...

Basically something like this... though this is a Tiller...
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My idea is to make it as ugly and scary looking as possible... Planning on cutting off the rear seat, removing the upper fairing (if it has one) and going bare minimum with everything... No gauges, no passenger accomodations, and barely any exhaust... Again... ugly... scary... ...
hell yeah. SV's will fit ya. An old Tiller would as well. I would like to see where you go with this.
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hell yeah. SV's will fit ya. An old Tiller would as well. I would like to see where you go with this.
My inspiration is new school Mad Max... And a Jesse James quote, "I like when they look like something's missing... like it doesn't have enough parts to work."

The leap from my lil' 500 (and a good bit of experience on a ragged out Kat6) to a 1k worries me... I think I am just going to have to go out and ride some bikes to see how they feel... Darn...

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