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Ok, so still cruising around on the 250 but would like to be on a 600 in the near future. Sadly tho, like most of us, I do not have the benefit of test riding all the new 600s so I must rely on how they feel when I sit on them, looks, and reviews from other respectable riders.

To me the r6 is no doubt the best looking bike of the big 4. The cbr is close but I am very excited to feel how a slipper clutch works. The gsxr is a good choice as well except idk theres just a part of me that doesn't want to own a suk, and the 6r is just to ugly in the front end for me.

But I have heard some bad things about the r6 as well. Fist being "no power below 8k rpms". How true is this. I live at sea level with flat roads so I'm usually going in a straight line around 70 mph. If your crusing at say 50 in 5th at low-med rpm and you hit does it take off like you would expect from a 600 SS or does it kinda roll on and kick in suddenly around 9k?

Basically I have heard from all the reviews that for it to have power on the street you have to be constantly down shifting to keep the rpms up so you can stay/pass other bikes. SO from your experience do you constantly find yourself downshifting to get up in the power band or is there still plenty of mid range pull from 4k-7k?

By the way please only use street riding, no track days, experience when answering these questions.

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Dont worry man the new generation of R6 is a great bike. It FALLS into the corners something that takes alittle getting used to. I never had any problem at all with cruising around. Rember the bike mags have to be pickey as hell to compare all the 600's because of how close they are in performance. Little things that an everyday rider of the bike will never really notice they exagerate to make the bikes seem more individual from each other

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Dont worry man the new generation of R6 is a great bike. It FALLS into the corners something that takes alittle getting used to. I never had any problem at all with cruising around. Rember the bike mags have to be pickey as hell to compare all the 600's because of how close they are in performance. Little things that an everyday rider of the bike will never really notice they exagerate to make the bikes seem more individual from each other
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Yes the R6 does have less power at lower RPMs than other bikes. But, that's because it has so much power in the upper RPMs and screams to higher rpms than most bikes. Also, this is all relative. The magazines have to say something is bad. Mid range torque is the R6's weakness, plain and simple. However, the tradeoff is chip-controlled throttle, absolute screaming power in the upper rpms, slipper clutch, etc etc. It's up to you to decide what you want.

I can't think of any street riding situation where you would NEED to get on the power so hard and so fast that you would need to drop gears. But if you want to get on it hard, drop a gear or two. No big deal. I would say unless you are riding in a manner as to try and conserve gas (i.e. top gear under 60mph), you won't be disappointed. Yamaha made the gear ratios very close to eachother... the gears are very tall and only a couple thousand rpm in between each at most.

Also, don't forget that this bike was built to rev. There is no reason to keep it at rpms that you would keep another bike in. Cruising around at 8krpm is perfectly normal. Don't feel like 4-7krpm is the 'normal' cruising rpm... this bike redlines at 17500 indicated (16500 actual) And yes, the power does kick in harder at 10k (hold on!), but it's all relative.

You don't have to downshift to 'have power on the street'. The bike has plenty of power at all rpms and all gears for street riding. If you are riding hard on the street, keep the rpms up. No biggie.

On the track, you need to be in lower gears. Except for the main straight (up into fourth), I spent the whole track in mostly first and second gear, with a couple spots where I jump into third for a bit.

1st gear redline 80mph
2nd gear redline 100mph
3rd gear redline 125ish
4th gear redline 145ish i think
5th gear redline 155ish
top speed 165ish

Compared to your 250, you will chit your pants the first time you wind it out through the first two gears. If you are disappointed, I will eat my hat.


EDIT: If you are this concerned about midrange torque, maybe consider a more standard type bike like a sv650 or something... or maybe even the R6S, which is the old R6.

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Dont worry man the new generation of R6 is a great bike. It FALLS into the corners something that takes alittle getting used to. I never had any problem at all with cruising around. Rember the bike mags have to be pickey as hell to compare all the 600's because of how close they are in performance. Little things that an everyday rider of the bike will never really notice they exagerate to make the bikes seem more indivual from each other
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How many times can I post this in one day. If you want mid range torgue, get a gsxr750 or a Kawi Z750s. My bike has a ton of low end torque.
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Yes the R6 does have less power at lower RPMs than other bikes. But, that's because it has so much power in the upper RPMs and screams to higher rpms than most bikes. Also, this is all relative. The magazines have to say something is bad. Mid range torque is the R6's weakness, plain and simple. However, the tradeoff is chip-controlled throttle, absolute screaming power in the upper rpms, slipper clutch, etc etc. It's up to you to decide what you want.

I can't think of any street riding situation where you would NEED to get on the power so hard and so fast that you would need to drop gears. But if you want to get on it hard, drop a gear or two. No big deal. I would say unless you are riding in a manner as to try and conserve gas (i.e. top gear under 60mph), you won't be disappointed. Yamaha made the gear ratios very close to eachother... the gears are very tall and only a couple thousand rpm in between each at most.

Also, don't forget that this bike was built to rev. There is no reason to keep it at rpms that you would keep another bike in. Cruising around at 8krpm is perfectly normal. Don't feel like 4-7krpm is the 'normal' cruising rpm... this bike redlines at 17500 indicated (16500 actual) And yes, the power does kick in harder at 10k (hold on!), but it's all relative.

You don't have to downshift to 'have power on the street'. The bike has plenty of power at all rpms and all gears for street riding. If you are riding hard on the street, keep the rpms up. No biggie.

On the track, you need to be in lower gears. Except for the main straight (up into fourth), I spent the whole track in mostly first and second gear, with a couple spots where I jump into third for a bit.

1st gear redline 80mph
2nd gear redline 100mph
3rd gear redline 125ish
4th gear redline 145ish i think
5th gear redline 155ish
top speed 165ish

Compared to your 250, you will chit your pants the first time you wind it out through the first two gears. If you are disappointed, I will eat my hat.


EDIT: If you are this concerned about midrange torque, maybe consider a more standard type bike like a sv650 or something... or maybe even the R6S, which is the old R6.



even with the 600's mid-range torque it will fill his pants compared to the 250
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I have thought much about the r6s, I actually prefer it's looks over the current r6, but I'm stubborn and want a slipper on my next bike.

for your post tho it did help a lot. The thing about me tho, is even tho the r6 can rev so high I just dont like cruising at high rpms just because for some reason I have this built in mentality that it will kill the motor faster and if I can cruise at 70 mph in the mid rpms then the motor will be taking a lot less abuse, but I like I said that's just something wrong with my head that doesn't like to beat that ***** out of my vehicles.
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I have thought much about the r6s, I actually prefer it's looks over the current r6, but I'm stubborn and want a slipper on my next bike.

for your post tho it did help a lot. The thing about me tho, is even tho the r6 can rev so high I just dont like cruising at high rpms just because for some reason I have this built in mentality that it will kill the motor faster and if I can cruise at 70 mph in the mid rpms then the motor will be taking a lot less abuse, but I like I said that's just something wrong with my head that doesn't like to beat that ***** out of my vehicles.
You will understand when you ride it. The bike sounds and feels right cruising at a higher RPM. No vibration or sounds of destruction. It will make u think u have a F1 engine between your legs though when you open up the throttle the way it screams. One of the main reason i dont ride while listening to music. The sounds that come from the motor are enjoyable to me. The R6 is also rather loud stock comparibly to the other 600's that i have decided to replace the muffler as of yet.

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I have thought much about the r6s, I actually prefer it's looks over the current r6, but I'm stubborn and want a slipper on my next bike.

for your post tho it did help a lot. The thing about me tho, is even tho the r6 can rev so high I just dont like cruising at high rpms just because for some reason I have this built in mentality that it will kill the motor faster and if I can cruise at 70 mph in the mid rpms then the motor will be taking a lot less abuse, but I like I said that's just something wrong with my head that doesn't like to beat that ***** out of my vehicles.
around town on my F4, my rpms are around 5k, I have no issues with accelerating in any gear. I'm sure the newer R6 is compariable to my 00 CBR and should be better all round power wise. if not shame on yami
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around town on my F4, my rpms are around 5k, I have no issues with accelerating in any gear. I'm sure the newer R6 is compariable to my 00 CBR and should be better all round power wise. if not shame on yami
Dont worry if you rode one u would fall in love with it. Well as long as your not on the v-twin's are god bandwagon like half this site

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I have thought much about the r6s, I actually prefer it's looks over the current r6, but I'm stubborn and want a slipper on my next bike.

for your post tho it did help a lot. The thing about me tho, is even tho the r6 can rev so high I just dont like cruising at high rpms just because for some reason I have this built in mentality that it will kill the motor faster and if I can cruise at 70 mph in the mid rpms then the motor will be taking a lot less abuse, but I like I said that's just something wrong with my head that doesn't like to beat that ***** out of my vehicles.
If you're cruising at 70, you don't need to be at higher rpms, since you're just cruising. However, 70mph in 6th gear will still be about 7krpm.

If you are thinking that you will EVER start doing track days with your next bike, get the R6. It eats, breathes, sleeps, and chits track days. If you're only ever going to ride on the street, get the R6S... hell, get an SV650 and buy a slipper clutch for it.

Also, the slipper clutch on the R6 is alright... it's not amazing. Don't forget, it's a performance part, but it's coming STOCK. It's not going to be as great as the aftermarket slippers. That being said, I have read a mod about how to remove a little clip inside of it to give it a little more slip. Anyways, don't make that your only reason for buying the bike.

It's tough for me to give you advice because I don't know what kind of rider you are, your skills, how often you ride cruising or hard, how often you ride straight/highway versus twisties, what you consider "fast", etc etc etc. Hope I've helped a little bit though.

Regardless the R6 is f&*king nasty and if you buy one, you won't be disappointed.
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You will understand when you ride it. The bike sounds and feels right cruising at a higher RPM. No vibration or sounds of destruction. It will make u think u have a F1 engine between your legs though when you open up the throttle the way it screams. One of the main reason i dont ride while listening to music. The sounds that come from the motor are enjoyable to me. The R6 is also rather loud stock comparibly to the other 600's that i have decided to replace the muffler as of yet.
maybe at my next TD I will try to get a spectator to take a video of the main straight so you can hear it rip through the gears. Literally sounds like an F1 car.
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Get the bike that is most comfortable to you while sitting on it. They are all pretty similar and slipper clutches don't matter unless you plan to track the piss out of it and if you are doing that an aftermarket slipper clutch is available for every 600.

Getting the most comfortable will come in handy when you are hitting it hard all day long in the twisties and every part of your body aches.

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Get the bike that is most comfortable to you while sitting on it. They are all pretty similar and slipper clutches don't matter unless you plan to track the piss out of it and if you are doing that an aftermarket slipper clutch is available for every 600.

Getting the most comfortable will come in handy when you are hitting it hard all day long in the twisties and every part of your body aches.
And when you ride 3hrs to ride said twisties n back again
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He can also just get the R6S and put a slipper in it. Last time I was pricing them for my 2005 R6, it was like $200-$300 and it'll cost like $100 for it to get installed.
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I have ridden both bikes the R6 is worlds better all around than the R6s. The slipper is just scratching the surface in improvements that were made

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I have ridden both bikes the R6 is worlds better all around than the R6s. The slipper is just scratching the surface in improvements that were made
I agree, shift has spent good time on the 250. He should be more than capable of riding a new 600. Get a new generation.

RR, R6, Gixxer 6 is the must go, Kawi shot themselves in the foot by taking away that extra 36cc's because the new one is dogmeat.

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I agree, shift has spent good time on the 250. He should be more than capable of riding a new 600. Get a new generation.

RR, R6, Gixxer 6 is the must go, Kawi shot themselves in the foot by taking away that extra 36cc's because the new one is dogmeat.
Oh yeah? Who is leading AMA Supersport? A Kawi!
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Oh yeah? Who is leading AMA Supersport? A Kawi!
That has nothing to do with street bikes. The kawi is the back marker the past couple years.
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That has nothing to do with street bikes. The kawi is the back marker the past couple years.
The AMA bikes engine are vitually stock. Different intake and exhaust but the rest of it is stock. ANd it beting the other guys pretty easily. Yes I know it has to do with the rider... But Kawi is on top.
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The AMA bikes engine are vitually stock. Different intake and exhaust but the rest of it is stock. ANd it beting the other guys pretty easily. Yes I know it has to do with the rider... But Kawi is on top.
Fair enough.

However, if you take the big four 600SS's, and put them next to eachother right now... the kawi is fourth place in every area except for slowness.
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