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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 12-20-2004, 08:27 PM Thread Starter
 
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FZR 88 vs R1 05

Don't laugh it's been a while and I am older (52) but I want a new R1. What is the power difference? Handling changes? Weight changes? I know a whole different world but try to explain.
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Welcome and I'm sure the R1 will be a beast in comparison.

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If you are going racing, get the R1. If you want to ride on the street get the FZR. It's at least 50 pounds heavier, but more comfortable. It's probably 1/3 the price, and has a better fairing than the R1. The engines are basically the same, but the R1 is tuned for high RPM horsepower. The suspension is better on the R1, but if you have the skill or the money, you can make the FZR almost as good.
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post #4 of 23 (permalink) Old 12-21-2004, 05:06 AM Thread Starter
 
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I had a FZR in 88 I want the R1 now. Only feel old when my back goes out. Ouite fast in my track car I had a Kawasaki 900 in 1976 with a full race fairing close to the original sportbike back then.
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Well I would get a GSXR just because they are much better than any Yam will ever be.

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That's cool, as far as I'm concerned. I hope I'm into sportbikes in 20, 30 or 40 years.
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I'd have to make an argument against an R1 for racing (if the person is a first time racer). FZR's are great bikes and what I started on for racing. Still lots of them out there, but much harder to get parts for. R1 is much lighter these days and has waaaaaaaaay alot of power. Great grammer huh? R1's are exactly what Gas Man said...a BEAST. And that's putting it lightly.
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Did you forget about the bad handling and tranny problems the R1 had this year? Did you forget that Yam is not recalling for these problems? When Suzuki had a problem with their trans in the 2001 750 they recalled ALL of them and swapped the whole trans and replaced the timing chain for free. Then they fixed the problem and released the bike july of 2001(the "Y" model). Now thats real company.
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Did you forget about the bad handling and tranny problems the R1 had this year? Did you forget that Yam is not recalling for these problems? When Suzuki had a problem with their trans in the 2001 750 they recalled ALL of them and swapped the whole trans and replaced the timing chain for free. Then they fixed the problem and released the bike july of 2001(the "Y" model). Now thats real company.
This is true...and another reason why I didn't like the 01-02 GSXR's...they had lots of tranny problems with the 01 1k's as well. But as Twisty said, Suzuki did step up, admit the problem and fix it for free




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I would think if you are already mentioning your back, then the R1 or Gixxer would be an awful choice...

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I would think if you are already mentioning your back, then the R1 or Gixxer would be an awful choice...

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I think the R1 or Gixxer either one is perfect for your back...Once you give either a twist of the wrist, you will be too busy to think about your back!!!
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My back just goes out when it wants. I raced offshore boats for a long time. I am a mason contractor also and everything you touch is heavy. I'll just be going for 45 minute sprints. I was off bikes for a while then I bought a 86 NINJA 1000R. I took it up to 140 the first time and then let off. Then I popped up from behind the fairing and almost popped off the bike from the wind shear. Last time I did that. My friend Jack O'Malley had a Rickman-Metese, spelling is off I'm sure with a 900 Kaw motor in 76 which I loved. I'll check out the Suzuki's but love the Yamaha. Did look at the 999R also. The dealer I bought my bikes off of retired. I guess they don't let you try them? My friend has a Hoda dealership but I am not really interested in them unfortunately.

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You said you had an FZR in '88. Have you ridden since? The new R1s are absolutely SICK bikes. Truly. Over 150hp to the rear wheel. Very compact feeling. Handing is absolutely AMAZING. (I've ridden both the new R1s and Gix1ks, and I DEFINITELY prefer the handling of the R1 hands down..) Anyway, if you haven't ridden in 15 years I would NOT jump on an R1.

Bike have changed DRASTICALLY since '88. The current supersport 600cc bikes are putting out more power than some liter bikes did in '88. They weigh a TREMENDOUS amount less. The '88 FZR put 135 hp out at the crank, so figure right around 115 to the wheel. It weighed 520 lbs or so wet. Check the specs on the new beasts and you will be amazed.

Get your feet wet again slowly before jumping on a liter bike. I'd like to see you enjoy the sport for another 10 years. You've got the have excellent throttle control and be able to provide very specific and accurate steering inputs to today's bikes to ride them well. Unless you just plan on crusing around on the bike (and if that's the case, why would you buy a sportbike?), get a 600. Then, head to some track days. You'll be addicted in no time.
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I haven't riden a bike sitting up since the early 70's. I hate the feeling of fighting the wind. I love to go fast! I have had or raced some fast stuff including 145 MPH offshore boats. I will have enough sense to control it and not get myself in trouble. I hope I have always respected speed and seen the results of disregarding it. I will ramp up slowly to it. I do track days in a car now which is enough of a sickness. I see them running at Pocono east course. I should spent some more time there. I didn't even remember the HP on the 88. My 1000 RR did about 186. I just love looking at the R1. Once I got the FRZ I rarely road the 1000 RR Kawasaki. Do they let you test any bikes? The dealer I new went out of business but he always let me drive what I wanted. I do have a friend who owns a Honda dealership but I was never hot on Honda's.

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Well I would get a GSXR just because they are much better than any Yam will ever be.
No one asked you shytneck.. Shut your damn piehole...

Go for the R1.. Not sure much about the FZR - might ask Dyno but the R1 is incredible.. You can't compare the 2...
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Went to the dealer today and he said 9500 04 and 10500 05 he didn't even know if there was a difference nothing like knowing you product.
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Went to the dealer today and he said 9500 04 and 10500 05 he didn't even know if there was a difference nothing like knowing you product.
Get the 05.. The 04 had problems with the front fork bearings or so the GSXR King Twisty tries to tell me.. Regardless never buy the first model year of any new car or bike - get the 05..
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Thanks I was planning on that anyway. I think there was another thread here saying a lot was modified.
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A friend of mine is selling his '04. The thing is immaculate. NO ONE takes as good care of their bikes as he does. 5 minute ride and he cleans it completely. He's an incredible rider. No wheelies. No burnouts. No stoppies. Just tons of knee dragging fun. PM me if you want details. He's in central Virginia.
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Go for the R1. Sounds like you have already made up your mind!
I would get the 05 just because its the 2ed run on that bike.
I think the GSXR 1000 handles better (keeps the front end planted in a corner) for my stile of ridding but, I haven't logged the miles on a R1 like I have the GSXR's.
I wasn't impressed with the RR's ether.
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