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post #1 of 30 (permalink) Old 08-04-2004, 12:06 PM Thread Starter
 
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keeping the front wheel down.

hi guys, im a new member here and the new owner of an 04 R1. to top it off i haven't ridden a bike until now, for quite a few years.
i have noticed that its nearly impossible to keep the front wheel on the ground under heavy throttle. i had it come up a few feet the other day at 130mph in 5th gear.
wanted to see if there is something i can do to help with this problem. i mean i want to be able to carry it when i want, but also would like to do some full throttle blasts down the interstate.
i guess it may be the nature of the beast, but if theres a way to keep this beast under control a little more, id appreciate the help.
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That's a good problem to have! :bike: Welcome to the forum!
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post #3 of 30 (permalink) Old 08-04-2004, 12:56 PM
 
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an R1 ( along with the 1000rr,zx10, gixxer1000, etc) has a ton of power and is a very lightweight ride for a the size of it. Todays liter bikes have so much torque and HP that when you crack the throttle, its going to come up the majority of the time.. As you ride it more, and get the feel of it, you'll be able to see how much you can roll on the throttle before it lifts up, and adjust accordingly. It's definately a good problem to have , but can be alittle intimidating at first, especially when you haven't ridden in a while.

You'll get used to it
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post #4 of 30 (permalink) Old 08-04-2004, 04:34 PM Thread Starter
 
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i guess drag racing it is out of the question then...
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Oh, you can drag race, but it takes alot of practice to keep the bike under control when your starting out. If you crack the throttle wide open when you start out, you'll end up on your rear end. If you notice with people that drag race..they keep both feet on the ground and alittle bit towards the back of the bike, and they lean forward..this leaning puts more weight on the front and helps keep it under control. Obviously a wheelie bar would help alot too..

but anywho, its just a matter of learning your bikes throttle response, and when you initially start off, you give it alot of throttle, but dont dump the clutch fully & dont crack it wide open for a split second, till you start moving then get on it harder. I've done this method alot and have won alot of street races..**coughcough i didnt say that coughcough*

Im sure others like TL1000 can relate to your situation as well and offer more advice to it.

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i guess it may be the nature of the beast, but if theres a way to keep this beast under control a little more, id appreciate the help.
Have you tried slowing down?
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post #7 of 30 (permalink) Old 08-04-2004, 06:19 PM
 
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Nature of the beast for sure. Drag bikes are even more extreme without a wheelie bar.

As mentioned above try to keep some weight forward.

Another option is an extended swingarm....very popular for drag racing and street, but it tends to degrade handling.
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post #8 of 30 (permalink) Old 08-04-2004, 08:08 PM
 
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Need4Speed750 hit right on the button. Just learn throttle control and your limits/abilities. Be safe.
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post #9 of 30 (permalink) Old 08-05-2004, 12:09 AM
 
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Oh, and if you take it to the drag strip, the front end will want to come up even more off the line. A LOT of traction on the strip. Even my measley Katana 600 will lift the front end off the ground at the strip, something it has NEVER done on the street.
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post #10 of 30 (permalink) Old 08-05-2004, 11:41 AM Thread Starter
 
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i agree throttle control will work, but you gotta wonder exactly how fast the things would be if you could make an all out run. they advertise 10sec. flat in the quarter. wonder if that was as is or with a wheelie bar?
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I'd love to try it w/ a wheelie bar sometime, and just totally hammer it right from the get-go..just to see for myself.. :bike:
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I've run a 10.85 in the 1/4 on my old '00 R1 not knowing anything about drag racing, so I think close to 10 sec is possible but you have to remember the magazine guys are not riding their own bikes when testing these things, so they'll burn up the clutch up in 4 to 5 passes. Easing the clutch out is what gives you a lower E/T time cause you're trying to keep the front tire on the ground.
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post #13 of 30 (permalink) Old 08-06-2004, 10:31 PM
 
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If you're going to be mainly drag racing the bike, get an extended swing arm, lower the front end, and adjust your ride height. This will help keep the front end down, of course you will still have to practice throttle control.

If you want to carve canyons - forget what I said above, as it won't help your handling. Just learn to control the throttle.

Whatever you do, have fun!!!
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hi guys, im a new member here and the new owner of an 04 R1. to top it off i haven't ridden a bike until now, for quite a few years.
i have noticed that its nearly impossible to keep the front wheel on the ground under heavy throttle. i had it come up a few feet the other day at 130mph in 5th gear.
wanted to see if there is something i can do to help with this problem. i mean i want to be able to carry it when i want, but also would like to do some full throttle blasts down the interstate.
i guess it may be the nature of the beast, but if theres a way to keep this beast under control a little more, id appreciate the help.
How you making out this, "nice problem"
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unfortunately, i haven't been able to ride . today was my first day back at work. hopefully within a month , maybe two, i'll have the bike fixed.
for those that don't know, the reason i originally asked about this is because the front wheel came all the way over on me and put me on my a$$, lol.
won't be long before all is back to normal though. but, from now on, i won't be riding in shorts.
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unfortunately, i haven't been able to ride . today was my first day back at work. hopefully within a month , maybe two, i'll have the bike fixed.
for those that don't know, the reason i originally asked about this is because the front wheel came all the way over on me and put me on my a$$, lol.
won't be long before all is back to normal though. but, from now on, i won't be riding in shorts.
so the accident on the bike caused all this time off work ? damn, Im sorry for ya dude.but glad things are getting back to normal. Just dont wait too long to get back on your ride..the longer the wait, the easier it will be to keep on putting it off. Sometimes, riders really find it difficult to get back to riding after they're involved in a mishap.

Did you get an estimate on the damages yet?
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thanks, but actually, this accident was only 2 weeks ago. i was on vacation at the time. i've really only missed a little over a week at work. so its all good.
have a friend at the dealer gathering the parts for me for cost. not sure of the cost yet though.
as far as not getting back on it, lol. if the suns shining, i'll be riding. after all , it wasn't the bikes fault i couldn't stay outta the throttle :bike:
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Glad to hear that everything is alright and your getting the bike fixed. I had one mishap and it took me a few days to go back to the bike just to look at it and one other time I had a nice tank slap. Not the greatest thing in the world to have happen when your over 100mph. I pulled off the road and sat on my helmat and just staired at the bike for about 10 mins before I got back on that time. When I have close calls, I fell riding fast calms me down. Strange, but it works for me. But we are glad to hear that you are ok. :hyper:
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post #19 of 30 (permalink) Old 08-11-2004, 01:33 AM
 
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thanks, but actually, this accident was only 2 weeks ago. i was on vacation at the time. i've really only missed a little over a week at work. so its all good.
have a friend at the dealer gathering the parts for me for cost. not sure of the cost yet though.
as far as not getting back on it, lol. if the suns shining, i'll be riding. after all , it wasn't the bikes fault i couldn't stay outta the throttle :bike:
Glad to hear it ...and oh yeah, one little tidbit of advice..the R1 has alittle bit of power so be careful with that throttle.
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post #20 of 30 (permalink) Old 08-17-2004, 02:23 AM
 
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shove a full exhaust system on the bike and get ride of the ex-up. then youll lose sum midrange for top end and the wheel will stay planted better
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