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post #21 of 39 (permalink) Old 06-18-2007, 11:26 AM
 
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can we say Aermacchi? another Itailain company Harley merged with in the sixties and early seventies. ever seen a harley dirt bike or 50cc scooter? well, they made them. might even see ducatti engineering on the buells and v-rods, or how about a desmo bagger? interesting story.
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post #22 of 39 (permalink) Old 06-18-2007, 05:03 PM
 
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can we say Aermacchi? another Itailain company Harley merged with in the sixties and early seventies. ever seen a harley dirt bike or 50cc scooter? well, they made them. might even see ducatti engineering on the buells and v-rods, or how about a desmo bagger? interesting story.
dude ducati and buell combining forces would be effin sweet IMO i could only imagine the beast that would come from that, but of course it'll probablly never happen.


oh and for you guys saying harleys are overpriced a new 07 sportster starts at $6500 even new 600s start at $8000 and yea those big bikes are spendy but your buying alot (literally) of bike too
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a Duc/HD merger would be a horrible thing. just think of how much MORE expensive a ducati would be. probably double the price they are now.

HD makes some nice stuff, its just completely overpriced and I dont care for spending that much. Ducati, well expensive but REALLY REALLY nice bikes.
I don't know a lot of good points have been made I think though it may create something hawtttt Im a sportbike guy but visiting the HD shops and seeing that V Rod damnnnn and HD does put out a quality product and they keep the value u can buy a HD and sell it 10 years later for almost the same price u payed for it as long as you take care of it I guess we'll jus have to wait and see what happens We are stuck in the past scared of change half of us prob can't afford a DUC anyway so who cares im pretty sure they pooled and researched with the current and past owners to see if a majority would even entertain this idea Everyone was having these same conversations about the current sportbikes we all love, the new Moto Gp stuff and now were like
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Everyone I have known who has bought a Harley in the past 10 years has had ZERO problems with them... Let's see... That's probably 20 people, a total of 30 or so bikes...

Whether or not you like them, saying Harley puts out a crap product is just false... Fit and finish are superb, reliability is spot on, and chrome anything ain't cheap...
my dad bought a new sportster 883 back in 01. seeped oil from day one out of one of the plugs on the lower end on the clutch side. also just out of warrenty the rear rocker box gasket decided to start leaking. easy to fix b/c its like working on an old tractor. and we loved the oil blow by out of the air cleaner all over the pants when traveled on the turnpike.

people told him he bought the cheep harley so it wasnt as good as the bigger ones. i dont care if its a ninja 250 or a zx14r you should expect quailty from what you buy.

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my dad bought a new sportster 883 back in 01. seeped oil from day one out of one of the plugs on the lower end on the clutch side. also just out of warrenty the rear rocker box gasket decided to start leaking. easy to fix b/c its like working on an old tractor. and we loved the oil blow by out of the air cleaner all over the pants when traveled on the turnpike.

people told him he bought the cheep harley so it wasnt as good as the bigger ones. i dont care if its a ninja 250 or a zx14r you should expect quailty from what you buy.
Oil blow by is standard for the Sportster engine... Fill the oil to the lower level and you won't have this problem.
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Oil blow by is standard for the Sportster engine... Fill the oil to the lower level and you won't have this problem.
i know its a common thing but how many years does it take to fix a simple quirk??

the problem is fixed, my dad sold the hardley and bought a FZ1.

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blow by is common on alot of motors, ever hear of a pcv valve. that's what it's for. but i agree, it is a common problem on harleys. i've actually seen people put maxi pads in the air cleaner cover to catch it. typically it's just a mist that is supposed to recirculate through the intake.

it's funny though, because harley owners accept these type of problems with thier bikes, and actually will make excuses to make it sound ok. i dunno why.

read any v-twin orientated magazine and you will see all kinds of fix-it articles. the aftermarket makes a killing selling cures for factory defaults.the current major one is a whining noise in fifth gear in the new six speed trannies. there are a ton of complaints about this. a baker upgrade to fix it runs about 900 bucks without labor.

but being a harley mechanic, it keeps me in business. i will never run out of work. ha ha
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Now there's rumors of Honda buying Harley....
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I don't really like harleys or honda's so meh...
Looks like Harley is getting itchy to make a move, either by buying ducati or getting bought by honda, due to their lackluster sales

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Harley-Davidson (nyse: HOG - news - people ) rumbled north on Friday amid dubious rumors that Honda (nyse: HMC - news - people ) was ready to purchase the motorcycle maker.

Shares of Harley-Davidson initially rose 6.3% but settled to a 4.2% gain, or $2.51, to $62.63 by noon trading.

However, despite the investor euphoria over the prospect of a Honda-Harley merger, there's a slim chance that Honda will follow through because of regulatory hurdles.

If Honda and Harley combined, the union would control 65% of the U.S. motorcycle market. The next leading competitor, Yamaha, would play a very distant second fiddle at 16%. That kind of stronghold on the motorcycle market would not please the Federal Trade Commission, which has squashed other, more innocuous mergers. Recently, the FTC rejected Whole Foods (nasdaq: WFMI - news - people )' bid to acquire Wild Oats because the arrangement would stifle competition in the natural and organic foods sector. (See: "Whole Foods' Wild Oater." )

"I'd be surprised if there was a Honda and Harley-Davidson combination, basically for regulatory and cultural reasons," RBC Capital Markets analyst, Edward Aaron told Forbes.com on Friday. "Harley is an iconic, American brand. I don't think it would be a great fit if they were under the ownership of a larger Japanese corporation."

Aaron also said it was unlikely that Harley would be the target of a leveraged buyout. "Although an LBO is more plausible than a merger with Honda, the math behind such a transaction is not highly compelling," he said. He then added that Harley is already a well operated business with a high margin profile and it would be difficult for an LBO investor to both pay a meaningful premium at the current price and generate a suitable return.

Investors may have been eager to ride the coattails of the Honda rumor because of Harley's lackluster performance as of late. Since November, shares of Harley have fallen 17%. In the first quarter, profits plunged 18% amid tepid sales and a three-week strike at a major production plant. While the strike was a negative one-time event, weak demand and an industry-wide slowdown was at the crux of the slip. Harley is also an unexpected victim of the subprime crunch, its financial services arm battered by higher defaults on its subprime loans.
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Makes me want to yak just thinking about it.
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The american bike would be gone if Honda bought it.
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Everyone I have known who has bought a Harley in the past 10 years has had ZERO problems with them... Let's see... That's probably 20 people, a total of 30 or so bikes...

Whether or not you like them, saying Harley puts out a crap product is just false... Fit and finish are superb, reliability is spot on, and chrome anything ain't cheap...
Huh, the few people I know that own Harley's and Buells have had problems with them at low milage, less than 3k.

But why not combine Harley and Ducati. They are both over priced and make a lot of noise.
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is it really that far fetched

http://www.roehrmotorcycles.com/

doesnt say it ducati related but damn sure looks like it...
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But why not combine Harley and Ducati. They are both over priced and make a lot of noise.
look at the MSRP (last line) of the link above

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Huh, the few people I know that own Harley's and Buells have had problems with them at low milage, less than 3k.

But why not combine Harley and Ducati. They are both over priced and make a lot of noise.
I owned an '02 Buell Cyclone. Zero problems. Have owned six Harleys. Zero problems. Can't say the same for Honda (Blowned stator) or BMW (Clutch). Ducati's and MV's have also been problem free.

One spends more for a H-D or Ducati. One also sells them for more. Many only look at the buy side of the transaction. The other day I bought a $$$bike selling a Honda and a $$$BMW. Was glad I had the $$$BMW to throw into the mix.

One does not have to put an aftermarket pipe on the H-D or Duc.
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I owned an '02 Buell Cyclone. Zero problems. Have owned six Harleys. Zero problems. Can't say the same for Honda (Blowned stator) or BMW (Clutch). Ducati's and MV's have also been problem free.

One spends more for a H-D or Ducati. One also sells them for more. Many only look at the buy side of the transaction. The other day I bought a $$$bike selling a Honda and a $$$BMW. Was glad I had the $$$BMW to throw into the mix.

One does not have to put an aftermarket pipe on the H-D or Duc.
on a HD they do the stock ones sound like the have a sock stuck up their @ss.
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on a HD they do the stock ones sound like the have a sock stuck up their @ss.
Subjective. Many H-D riders ride with the stock exhaust. Saw a bunch today as a matter of fact. With the move to the 96" in '07, and changes to engine/tranny, H-D was able to increase the volume from the mufflers with the tranny being quieter... and pass EPA scrutiny. Sounds quite nice. For additional p-o-v from a previous H-D skeptic...

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Subjective. Many H-D riders ride with the stock exhaust. Saw a bunch today as a matter of fact. With the move to the 96" in '07, and changes to engine/tranny, H-D was able to increase the volume from the mufflers with the tranny being quieter... and pass EPA scrutiny. Sounds quite nice. For additional p-o-v from a previous H-D skeptic...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...1dd16bold.html
real bikers? or the doctor lawyer types??
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If I had a Chopper it would have straight pipes
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Harley and Ducati??!! oh hell YEAH!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
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