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Or, like Amazon.com (the worlds largest e-tailer), you don't use use things like flash that alienates the millions of people still on dial-up that will instantly leave your site when it takes longer than 20 seconds to load. Or not work correctly on the 18% of the market that isn't using MSIE and flash is either painfully slow (still a problem with some flash animations in firefox/mozilla) or not render correctly (Mac and Linux/Unix systems). I will not use MSIE on my windoze machine, and none of my other machines can even run it if I wanted to, so I see this a lot when visiting heavy flash sites (speedtv.com is a prime example ... their main page does not render correctly in Firefox). <br />
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A pretty website with animaitons often isn't the best way to do things <img src="https://www.twowheelforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /> If everyone was on a broadband connection and you knew the pages would render exactly the same for everyone ... then, it wouldn't be a concern. A mixture generally isn't bad, but in many cases it doesn't really add much to the presentation unless you've got a graphics designer doing your animations for you. <br />
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I tend to do layout in a WYSIWYG tool to get a feel for how I want things to look, then hand-code everything. I think flash is cool, but I don't want the problems I outlined above when trying to reach the broadest audience possible. I sometimes use javascript for dynamic stuff like populating pull-down menus, but that's about it. Pure HTML is the only way you can guarantee fast loadtimes and cross platform and browser compatability, which is really important for a business site. For a personal site ... eh, I'd probably have a cool flash thing <img src="https://www.twowheelforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /><br />
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EDIT: I have seen a few sites done entirely in flash that actually have a very good UI, load fast, and render correctly on all my machines. They are few and far between though, and you'd need a REALLY good flash designer and do a lot of testing to achieve it.<br />
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<div style="font-style:italic">Or, like Amazon.com (the worlds largest e-tailer), you don't use use things like flash that alienates the millions of people still on dial-up that will instantly leave your site when it takes longer than 20 seconds to load. Or not work correctly on the 18% of the market that isn't using MSIE and flash is either painfully slow (still a problem with some flash animations in firefox/mozilla) or not render correctly (Mac and Linux/Unix systems). I will not use MSIE on my windoze machine, and none of my other machines can even run it if I wanted to, so I see this a lot when visiting heavy flash sites (speedtv.com is a prime example ... their main page does not render correctly in Firefox). <br />
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A pretty website with animaitons often isn't the best way to do things <img src="https://www.twowheelforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /> If everyone was on a broadband connection and you knew the pages would render exactly the same for everyone ... then, it wouldn't be a concern. A mixture generally isn't bad, but in many cases it doesn't really add much to the presentation unless you've got a graphics designer doing your animations for you. <br />
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I tend to do layout in a WYSIWYG tool to get a feel for how I want things to look, then hand-code everything. I think flash is cool, but I don't want the problems I outlined above when trying to reach the broadest audience possible. I sometimes use javascript for dynamic stuff like populating pull-down menus, but that's about it. Pure HTML is the only way you can guarantee fast loadtimes and cross platform and browser compatability, which is really important for a business site. For a personal site ... eh, I'd probably have a cool flash thing <img src="https://www.twowheelforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /><br />
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EDIT: I have seen a few sites done entirely in flash that actually have a very good UI, load fast, and render correctly on all my machines. They are few and far between though, and you'd need a REALLY good flash designer and do a lot of testing to achieve it.<br />
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All my flash sites open and render entirley on evey brower and machine. When your a designer you have to load all extentions and pluging for media types. With way maket is right now you can efford to make janky site.<br />
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My dominos website is the apple of my eye. There is ton of stuff that customers cant see but I designed the STAR system that allows all the stores to logon and order suppleys from the site. I desinged the shell before i left them for the internet customers to order pizza over the web. Great for hackers, pornsurfers and post whores, they dont even need to leave thier computer.<br />
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