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06-14-2005 12:00 AM
jeeps84
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Originally Posted by SpeedWerks.com
Pure luck more than anything. You're going to get a good one every once and a while ... but they are few and far between even when properly maintained. I'm not going to start celebrating until they all go that far (Like say ... a Honda).

- Roach
06-13-2005 04:21 PM
SpeedWerks.com
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Originally Posted by Ace
How else do you think Gas Man had a Pontiac with 150+ K on it.
Pure luck more than anything. You're going to get a good one every once and a while ... but they are few and far between even when properly maintained. I'm not going to start celebrating until they all go that far (Like say ... a Honda).

- Roach
06-13-2005 01:47 PM
Gas Man I just got to post this..

Pippi... I just love this pic!





06-13-2005 01:16 PM
Gas Man What... you all wanted a piece of the 6K... it was the bomb. I remember this one time driving down Grand River from a WOS meeting..going for drinks.. and the 6K toasted that poor Mazda 6 that Twisty drives...



06-13-2005 12:57 PM
Ace
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Originally Posted by Gas Man
6000le was the bomb! Everybody in WOS wanted to be me when I owned it and I gave it up!

Um lets not go overboard now with all the crazy talk Gas! Nobody in WOS wants to be you! There can only be 1 Gas Man!!!
06-13-2005 12:56 PM
Gas Man 150K...***** cracker... try 224 or so and still running hard!

That 6000le was the bomb! Everybody in WOS wanted to be me when I owned it and I gave it up!



06-13-2005 12:21 PM
Ace
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Originally Posted by chev
Amen to that Ace. I fully understand why cars cost what they do. Now, is there problems that raise costs (like labor rates), yes, but that's what needs to be fixed first, not the price on a sticker. As for unions, not everything about them is bad and honestly, it's more of a UAW thing then anything. The UAW is crap but that doesn't mean all other unions are.

Not sure why people think building a car is like making a Nike tennis shoe. A report I saw on Dateline a while back showed how it was costing Nike less than $20 to make the Air Jordan Tennis shoes, yet they sell for over $100. However MANY vehicles GM and Ford and DCX make they loose money on and make NO profit from.
I will say this, many times the people bitching about the quality of American made cars are the same morons that do not take care of their cars what so ever. Too often its not mechanical failure, but rather failure by moron driving or owning it. How else do you think Gas Man had a Pontiac with 150+ K on it. The boy takes care of his shizat!
06-13-2005 12:11 PM
chev Amen to that Ace. I fully understand why cars cost what they do. Now, is there problems that raise costs (like labor rates), yes, but that's what needs to be fixed first, not the price on a sticker. As for unions, not everything about them is bad and honestly, it's more of a UAW thing then anything. The UAW is crap but that doesn't mean all other unions are.
06-13-2005 12:02 PM
Ace
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Originally Posted by chev
I will buy an american sportbike when someone makes one that I like but until then...no. Plus, I'll shoot myself before riding a HOG.

And you are dead wrong on GM's pricing. It is all the price of production and when we talk production I'm talking overheads, pay rates, corporate overheads, the steal surcharges killing companies, shipping cost increases. GM...on general, it's best profit on a vehicle is 5%. Fact is this, it costs a ton to build in the US. I live it and breath it every day.


Unless your in the business then all your doing is talking out your pooper!
06-13-2005 11:52 AM
chev
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Originally Posted by bumblebee
OK, so sell your sportbike and buy a HD. They make the Street Rod now...

I have always owned/bought american cars. I have problems with the arrogance GM has exhibited the last few years. The price of their cars has nothing to do with costs of production. They have way overpriced their cars and I can't afford them. I could care less about winning an initial quality contest...Show me that Malibu 5 years and 150K miles later and let me see the quality. When I bought my Saturn for M...I was told the same tired line about quality and value and resale value...My neighbor bought a Honda that was within 800 dollars of the Saturn. He put almost the same mileage on his Honda, but was offered 2K more trade-in than my Saturn, by the Chevy dealer. It seems that Honda will turn quicker, for more $ on his used lot then my Saturn. So GM will have to do a whole lot more for me, if they want my money...
I will buy an american sportbike when someone makes one that I like but until then...no. Plus, I'll shoot myself before riding a HOG.

And you are dead wrong on GM's pricing. It is all the price of production and when we talk production I'm talking overheads, pay rates, corporate overheads, the steal surcharges killing companies, shipping cost increases. GM...on general, it's best profit on a vehicle is 5%. Fact is this, it costs a ton to build in the US. I live it and breath it every day.
06-13-2005 11:10 AM
Gas Man Make sure you all play nice!!

When it comes right down to it.. it's all personal preference. And for every good story somebody has about one brand, somebody else will have a bad twist on the same company.

Everything else is and you all are spouting your



06-13-2005 10:17 AM
GsxrJack
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Originally Posted by Ace
Unions in big picture are not a problem??? The automotive unions protect everyone, including useless and lazy workers. Hence why the quality is going right down the . My company has a plants that are both Union and non union. First hand I whitness how our non union plants are far more productive and have way better quality ratings than the union plants. I have yet to see one good reason to keep automotive unions, aside to keep the lazy and worthless employeed.
well like i said, theres good and bad and protecting pos workers is one of the bad..but then again it protects the good worker that their boss dont like cause hes got a hair across his ass from just saying "your fired" and the unions help keep the workers from paying most of their health costs etc...

dont think american cars are pos just because of unions...we make some of the best Jet engines in the world and we have all union workers here in Lynn Mass. the problem with the cars being a pos comes from poor engineering, poor shop practices, parts being made over seas to save a nickel etc....not just because of a few pos workers...and if they want to get rid of someone that keeps making mistakes on the assembly line then they can...like i said, ive seen both sides
06-13-2005 09:19 AM
SpeedWerks.com When the best thing you can come up with is "Best in initial quality" (just don't ask about what it's like 10 miles down the road) and "Consumer Reports Says it's good" (Right next to where they rate the best toaster) ... you have problems. And when you have to rely on Patriotic rhetoric to try and get people to buy your POS vehicles ... you're really not impressing me.

I have never once in my life heard anyone say, "Yeah, that new Honda I bought - what a POS! Had to have it in the shop X times under warranty", etc, etc. Yet I can't count the number of times I hear that from people who buy American (Including myself and my family).

While I would love to be able to buy an American vehicle that A) I think looks good and offers what I'm looking for, B) Will not cause me major headaches, and C) I can afford ... I can't think of one that I feel does

- Roach
06-13-2005 08:36 AM
jeeps84 Mechanics just see the broken stuff?
That's the way its supposed to work.

They can tell you witch model the see the most of!
06-13-2005 08:15 AM
Ace
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Originally Posted by jetskifast
Owned number of GM auto's over the years, very few problems Funny how you bring up MB and Jeep products. 2001 purchased 01 Jeep Grand Cherokee limited 4.7 4 WD for daughter. Jeep spent more time at dealership being repaired than driven. Started off with fuel pump O-ring, Sun roof problems, interior fit problems, All wheel drive problems, thermostat housing coolent leak, cooling fan fluid leaking and water pump gasket leaking.
Unions in big picture are not problem Take a look at CEO who is making $20 million with options, plus full benifits with country club Then take a look at other top managment and board members. Rank and file make peanuts compared to big boys.
If you think big business is looking after you, dream on. Without unions you would be working 16 hour days 7 days a week
You may bash unions but they are here for reason, GREED
IT industry great example of industry who has low union membership, most jobs are now being shipped overseas for lower wages

Unions in big picture are not a problem??? The automotive unions protect everyone, including useless and lazy workers. Hence why the quality is going right down the . My company has a plants that are both Union and non union. First hand I whitness how our non union plants are far more productive and have way better quality ratings than the union plants. I have yet to see one good reason to keep automotive unions, aside to keep the lazy and worthless employeed.
06-13-2005 03:48 AM
jetskifast
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Originally Posted by twisty
But if you buy american your ***** brakesdown, its way to expensive, and I hate unions.

I buy Jap. Their sh1t works right, it runs forever, and resale value is much better.

The japs are so streamlined in the operations, they know were every penny is spent. The big 3 were throwing money away and now 2 of them are hurting. It took Dodge being bought by the Germans for them to make money. The americans need to dump the unions, they are uneducted monkeys who just tighten the same bolts everyday and want to paid way over what they should be.

I hate unions, there is no need for them into todays day and age.
Owned number of GM auto's over the years, very few problems Funny how you bring up MB and Jeep products. 2001 purchased 01 Jeep Grand Cherokee limited 4.7 4 WD for daughter. Jeep spent more time at dealership being repaired than driven. Started off with fuel pump O-ring, Sun roof problems, interior fit problems, All wheel drive problems, thermostat housing coolent leak, cooling fan fluid leaking and water pump gasket leaking.
Unions in big picture are not problem Take a look at CEO who is making $20 million with options, plus full benifits with country club Then take a look at other top managment and board members. Rank and file make peanuts compared to big boys.
If you think big business is looking after you, dream on. Without unions you would be working 16 hour days 7 days a week
You may bash unions but they are here for reason, GREED
IT industry great example of industry who has low union membership, most jobs are now being shipped overseas for lower wages
06-13-2005 12:20 AM
Grafixx01
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Originally Posted by Gas Man
The unions thing is a different thread!

I find that you will always hear things from mechanics that work for "blank" car company...that that "blank" company's vechicle suck. The problem with that, is that they only see the broken down stuff! People who drive their cars and don't have problems don't take them to the shop!

Just something I wanted to point out!

, I have a 2000 Chevy Cavalier (it was affordable at the time in NY). But it has like 90K on it and there have been no major repairs. I just found out that I have to replace the original struts that are on the car and that'll cost me like $500-$600 bucks. That's alright, I'll wait cause I don't drive it anyways, I ride the R6 everywhere.
06-12-2005 10:02 PM
Gas Man The unions thing is a different thread!

I find that you will always hear things from mechanics that work for "blank" car company...that that "blank" company's vechicle suck. The problem with that, is that they only see the broken down stuff! People who drive their cars and don't have problems don't take them to the shop!

Just something I wanted to point out!



06-12-2005 09:44 AM
GsxrJack
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Originally Posted by jeeps84
Words-N-stuff
Don't get me started on unions!
spent 15 years in General Electric unions and have spent the last 15 years in Management and after seeing both sides there are good and bad things about unions...its not just a "unions suck" thing.....
06-12-2005 09:15 AM
jeeps84
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Originally Posted by PhoenixGirlie
Vettes rock

That is all

That's far from all!
The Vette keeps GM in the American dream circle.
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