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04-20-2006 10:34 PM
Gas Man
Quote:
Originally Posted by bumblebee
Ever wonder about those people who spend $2.00 apiece on those little bottles of Evian water? Try spelling Evian backwards:


NAIVE
That's funny!



04-20-2006 12:35 PM
bumblebee Ever wonder about those people who spend $2.00 apiece on those little bottles of Evian water? Try spelling Evian backwards:


NAIVE
04-18-2006 09:33 PM
Gas Man I use Frams on my cars....if that counts for anything.... just not on the bike.



04-18-2006 05:07 PM
GixxerNHemi bumblebee----

actually...my claims are supported by a good friend of mine who is an oil sales rep for exxon/mobil ....i tend to listen to what he has to say!! because HE HAS seen lab results and sat through classes upon classes on top of going to diesel school and whatever else the nut did...he knows ALOT.

he is either a really good bull****ter or knows what he is talking about!..thus why his company pays him about 160k a year! and i have learned through him. so im not just spewing words. its not like im bashing your bike...just the oil and filter you choose...but thats your choice.

sometimes when he is talking about oil....his vocabulary sounds almost as if he were a philosopher! lol....i never knew there was THAT much to know about oils and additives in them so on and so forth and ALL of the characteristics of each.

im not bashing you....i just wouldnt skimp on something already so cheap.


Fram filters by the way are proven to be less than average from time to time...do an internet search....a TON of people I know have had problems with them (threads,leakage,filtering properties,"rust" believe it or not)


Hell....im not bragging that I spend 60-70 bucks to do even my OWN oil change for my vehicles...but when they are worth anywhere from my 10k bike to my 70k M3.....Im not looking to save 20 bucks by buying cheaper products.
04-18-2006 09:01 AM
bumblebee
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeeps84
Like I said in most every thread pertaining to this subject.

I use a blinded oil at first service and then switch to full synthetic. Some automotive oils are ok for bikes. It is recommended to only use oils with the right additives for a wet clutch on most bikes.

As for the filters, OEM filters works fine for me and the K&N's are great. Fram probably is to. I just never use them.

I consider oil and filters to be disposable items...like beer...you are buying something to use temporarily and with the intention of throwing it away...Unless you have more dollars than sense...why spend 25 dollars when you can spend 15 for the same result...so you can name drop or brag about pi$$ing money away??? I figure, at a 20 dollars per change savings on oil and filter, every 5 changes, I get a free rear tire...or a lot of beer...
04-18-2006 08:38 AM
jeeps84 Like I said in most every thread pertaining to this subject.

I use a blinded oil at first service and then switch to full synthetic. Some automotive oils are ok for bikes. It is recommended to only use oils with the right additives for a wet clutch on most bikes.

As for the filters, OEM filters works fine for me and the K&N's are great. Fram probably is to. I just never use them.
04-18-2006 08:29 AM
bumblebee
Quote:
Originally Posted by GixxerNHemi
you can get 4 quarts of pennz and and a fram motorcycle filter for less than 13 bucks???? damn...a K&N oil filter alone is 12.99



FYI(Pennzoil is garbage...and so are fram filters) i wouldnt use either of them in my cars or bike if you paid me.

If Pennzoil and Fram were garbage...the Trial lawyers or Eliot Spitzer would have put them out of business by now...are there better products out there? Probably...Will my $4.75 Fram filter work for the 1500 miles it is in there with the clean pennzoil? Probably... I have used fram and Pennzoil in my bikes whenever possible for over 30 years and had no lube related engine failures yet...

Send me a copy of your engineering degree or your credentials that qualify you to make such a statement, or perhaps the lab results that backs up your claims...otherwise I don't consider your opinion to be much more than idiot wind...
04-17-2006 05:06 PM
GixxerNHemi
Quote:
Originally Posted by bumblebee
I use Pennz 10W 40 and a Fram filter and change it every 1500 to 2000 miles...I spend less than 13 bucks for an oil change...I can change my oil and filter several times for what 1 oil change with synthetic costs or one scott filter costs...besides...it gives us a reason to sit in the shop and drink beer...

you can get 4 quarts of pennz and and a fram motorcycle filter for less than 13 bucks???? damn...a K&N oil filter alone is 12.99



FYI(Pennzoil is garbage...and so are fram filters) i wouldnt use either of them in my cars or bike if you paid me.
04-17-2006 01:02 PM
bumblebee I use Pennz 10W 40 and a Fram filter and change it every 1500 to 2000 miles...I spend less than 13 bucks for an oil change...I can change my oil and filter several times for what 1 oil change with synthetic costs or one scott filter costs...besides...it gives us a reason to sit in the shop and drink beer...
04-17-2006 10:20 AM
Gas Man Yep... words to live by.... Oil is cheap, new motors aren't!

I did the math on the scotts oil filters... even at (for the disposable)$15 every 2500 miles and the cost of $130 ($120 + S&H)

So $130 / $15 = ruffly 9

9 x 2500 miles = 22,500 miles before you start to make your money back.

Ok... then I thought about the superior filtration.... um... I couldn't think of one time when somebody had to put a new motor in because the old one failed due to lack of filtration.... usually they over heat them, blow a rod, float a valve or something else that has nothing to do with the oil filters.



04-17-2006 08:10 AM
GixxerNHemi thanks for the quick responses!!!

GM...yea i was planning on the K&N filter anyhow.

the scotts is WAYY too expensive....

the K&N is 13.99 usually.....and by 10,000 miles I would have only bought about 4 of them for a total of around 50.00.

Say I kept the Scotts in for 10,000 straight....thats still costing me 60 bucks more for that filter + I gotta clean it every time.

I would never keep a filter in forever anyhow.

Heck, even on my Hemi Ram....I switched over to the new Mobil 1 extended performance synthetic oil that claims it lasts 15,000 miles....i will switch it at 10,000 most likely....better to be safe than to be cheap and sorry down the line!
04-16-2006 10:45 PM
EIDROEDYR
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gas Man
Ryd... you can get AMSOIL at Rec Leisure!!!!
I'll keep that in mind for my next oil change. The dealerships local to me (ie. Bright, Rosenau) didn't carry it.
04-16-2006 10:28 PM
Gas Man
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gas Man
Ryd... you can get AMSOIL at Rec Leisure!!!!
And you can order it online at Kneedraggers.com



04-16-2006 10:28 PM
Gas Man Ryd... you can get AMSOIL at Rec Leisure!!!!



04-16-2006 10:26 PM
EIDROEDYR AMSOIL was my first choice but when I went to switch over to synthetic, I couldn't get it locally. I am now running a Mobil 1 synthetic.
04-16-2006 10:22 PM
Gas Man Yes the Scotts... (which is acutally made by K&P engineering) oil filter is good but if you don't want to bother with the whole cleaning out idea.... I would go with the K&N gold performence as I suggested!

Plus the K&N has a nice welded nut on the end for easy removal and its drilled if you ever need to safety wire it for the track.



04-16-2006 10:19 PM
Gas Man I would use AMSOIL and a K&N gold performence filter.

I would say this... just run it with normal oil till the 2500 then switch it.

I think you'll find my combo is the best... but like Ebbs said.... this is one of those classic POV questions.



04-16-2006 10:18 PM
ebbs15
Quote:
Originally Posted by GixxerNHemi
***but if you can please....give me some ideas of a good oil and filter i can use until 2500 miles...THANKS!
well I can't sudgest an oil... but I will sudgest the Scotts Oil filter... surgical grade steel... more precise filtering... RE USABLE... just like a k&N filter (take it out... wash it... dry it... throw it back on) they're expensive initally $110 but they have a life time warrenty and filter MUCH finer material while providing more flow....

if it wasn't for the poor gramer and spelling errors... I sounded like a comercial! :BAHA:
04-16-2006 10:13 PM
GixxerNHemi ok...so what then?

i dont want to use that MAXUM **** a dealer on tried to sell me yesterday....got into an arguement over oil and i walked out...lol

some harley ridin sweethart in her 50s was trying to sell me maxum **** and said i should probably never make a full switch to synthetic....i asked her if the synthetic was reserved for her v-twin making 70hp over my .6 liter revving to 15k and she was stumped.

i feel pretty strongly about synthetic oils.

**GM....you dont think that by 600 (decently hard miles after 200) miles...the bike is broken in? new vehicles and bikes dont take long to break in...in fact many dont have a set break in period anymore.

i bet there is a sythetic blend in there now?


***but if you can please....give me some ideas of a good oil and filter i can use until 2500 miles...THANKS!
04-16-2006 10:07 PM
Gas Man I DEFINATLY would not switch now... at least wait till the 2500 mile service! You don't want to allow the pistons to slide that easily right off the bat. The friction allowed by conventional oil will ensure that your piston rings settle/break in properly...





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