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11-05-2004 02:00 PM
Pigface1
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Originally Posted by ShanMan14
In fairness to both.. How can you NOT be misinformed? If you listen to AM talk radio (Rush et al), all you get is the Conservative agenda. Democrat bashing.

The other options are print and TV media, always tagged as liberal. Democratic viewpoints disguised as fact.

What's left? The internet?
I HATE Limbaugh, can't stand him.

You have a valid point though. Everyone is going to get misinformation, it's inevitable. But, you take what you know and apply common sense.

If someone tells you that John Kerry can go sit down with all of the nations of the world and have bilateral talks with the likes of North Korea and Iran. . get our troops out of Iraq. . bring stability to Iraq. . get national health care. . increase national security and funding for the troops. . and cut the deficit in half in 4 years, and have success at all of those things? And they believe it? Yeah, that's misinformed. lol
11-05-2004 01:44 PM
Need4Speed we all know if its on the interent, its 100% fact right? so..what are we left with..to sit down with our thoughts, morals, and make an informed decision based on what you and you alone think.
If everybody did that, I'd think we'd be a much better place..but thats just me..
11-05-2004 01:37 PM
ShanMan14
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Originally Posted by Pigface1
lol I understand where she's coming from, it's just sad to see some people get so worked up and emotional when they've been so badly misinformed.

In fairness to both.. How can you NOT be misinformed? If you listen to AM talk radio (Rush et al), all you get is the Conservative agenda. Democrat bashing.

The other options are print and TV media, always tagged as liberal. Democratic viewpoints disguised as fact.

What's left? The internet?
11-05-2004 01:24 PM
Pigface1 lol I understand where she's coming from, it's just sad to see some people get so worked up and emotional when they've been so badly misinformed.
11-05-2004 01:14 PM
The Saint
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Originally Posted by Pigface1
I never said that. If you're going to bash us, at least have the courtesy to read what we wrote.
Right, Pig. Like that's going to happen. You might as well ask a Democrat to stop whining.....
11-05-2004 12:54 PM
Pigface1
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Originally Posted by BusaBabe
You Republicans are funny. Nothing is ever your fault. The bad economy was Clinton and the reason why the middle east is the way it is is Clinton. Whatever. Take some responsibility and realize the Repbulicans are just as much at fault as Democrats.
I never said that. If you're going to bash us, at least have the courtesy to read what we wrote.

Everyone is at fault, both parties are a wreck. I'm not one of the ones that blames everything on Clinton. . hindsight is 20-20, I realize that, and I honestly did like Clinton. That's why I voted for him in 1996 eventhough I'm a Republican.
11-05-2004 12:41 PM
BusaBabe You Republicans are funny. Nothing is ever your fault. The bad economy was Clinton and the reason why the middle east is the way it is is Clinton. Whatever. Take some responsibility and realize the Repbulicans are just as much at fault as Democrats.
11-05-2004 12:37 PM
Mudpuppy NY made this country? That is the funniest statement yet. That sesspool of a city ain't worth the tobacco spit in Bush's spitoon. I do have to say though you actually take the time to make intelligent responses unlike our boy ********** and I commend you for that. Could I list things that Bush has done? Sure. Will I do it now? No. It is lunch and I have to go eat. I will get back to you on that when I have more time even though I feel like we are wasting time here and this is a pointless arguement because no matter how many facts I throw out there you will ignore them and say they are not true or spin them off somehow.

Yes we did give weapons to Iraq. Do you want names, dates, quantities, descriptions, etc.? Do you want to know about the chemical warfare we gave Iraq that they used on a daily basis on Iran? I can give you a slew of facts my misguided NY loving fellow pw.
11-05-2004 12:13 PM
Pigface1
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Originally Posted by The Saint
You're wasting your time, Piggy. No matter how many times you present the facts to some people, it's just going to fall upon deaf ears.

Though I will say that (because of his youth) Dubbs has a chance. Ted is just too far gone, too brainwashed, and therefore a complete waste of time. Better to just poke fun at him...
Fair enough.
11-05-2004 12:10 PM
Pigface1
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Originally Posted by dubbs
I agree action needed to be taken, but why on Iraq? If anything we should invade Saudi Arabia b/c thats where all these terrorists come from. Its like the terrorist capitol of the world. If i were Bush i woulda attacked them. I know that Sadaam was being an ******* about the whole inspection things but that didnt mean that he had weapons and has proven to be so. He killed his own ppl and was such a bad dictator but ppl are still fighting for him for some reason. Why not Saudi Arabia is all im sayin
Saudi did not sponsor terrorism, and Saudi has been one of our allies for decades, regardless of what some will try to tell you. Bin Laden is Saudi, that doesn't mean anything. Zawahari is Jordanian, that doesn't mean anything either. They both fought in Afghanistan. Zawahari fled and went to Iraq, not Iran, not Saudi, not UAE.

Saddam was paying $25,000 to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. Did you notice a decrease in suicide bombings in Gaza after Saddam was captured?

The ones fighting in Iraq, the insurgents or whatever you want to call them, are former members of Saddam's Baathist party. They know they'll no longer have carte blanch to do whatever they want. The others fighting with them are guys like Zawahari. . freelance terrorists essentially that have things in common with the likes of Al Qaeda and Hamas. Interestingly enough, he pledged allegience to Al Qaeda week before last.

Some people imply that these insurgents would be living productive lives if we weren't there. The same people also imply that the Iraqis are not fighting along side us. The media will only show places like Fallujah b/c it makes a good story. They're not showing the good things we've done over there, and they won't. FoxNews beat the other networks by NINE TO ONE on election night. There's a reason. . people are waking up and seeing the bs coming out of the major networks and papers like the NY Times.

Invading Saudi makes no sense what-so-ever. That makes about as much sense as attacking ourselves because that's where Johnny Jihad is from.

I know many people would like one black and white answer in a neat little package, and I know that most people don't have the attention span to learn about what's really happening. That's understandable, but some people are willing to learn.

Saint will testify that I used to be one of the most liberal people on the forums as little as 4 years ago, eventhough I am a Republican. I'm not telling you what to think, just read as much as you can, from as many sources as you can.
11-05-2004 11:54 AM
dubbs I agree action needed to be taken, but why on Iraq? If anything we should invade Saudi Arabia b/c thats where all these terrorists come from. Its like the terrorist capitol of the world. If i were Bush i woulda attacked them. I know that Sadaam was being an ******* about the whole inspection things but that didnt mean that he had weapons and has proven to be so. He killed his own ppl and was such a bad dictator but ppl are still fighting for him for some reason. Why not Saudi Arabia is all im sayin
11-05-2004 11:54 AM
The Saint You're wasting your time, Piggy. No matter how many times you present the facts to some people, it's just going to fall upon deaf ears.

Though I will say that (because of his youth) Dubbs has a chance. Ted is just too far gone, too brainwashed, and therefore a complete waste of time. Better to just poke fun at him...
11-05-2004 11:44 AM
Pigface1
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Originally Posted by dubbs
Just list the good things bush has done, why you voted for him, dont be an asshat just list facts, i really wana know. And The Saint, my grammar is not in question here its how bad bush is.
I voted for Clinton in 96 and Gore in 2000, and I'm a Republican. I voted for them out of spite for the Religious Right.

The reasons I voted for Bush are this. I thought he handled 9/11 better than anyone could have. He didn't freak out, he didn't hesitate, he struck right back, and he struck hard. He took a page from Ronald Reagan if you remember Quadafi shooting our planes down in 86. In response, Reagan called him a "dirty dog" and bombed his house.

We had the Trade Center bombed in 1993. The Federal Building in my home town was bombed in 1995. Something you won't hear about in the national media is Terry Nichols met with Al Qaeda operatives in the Fillipines a year before to discuss bomb making.

Kerry said Bush is responsible for losing X number of jobs. That tells me that he's incompetent. Bush inherited a recession, we are out of it. We lost 1.2 MILLION jobs in the two weeks following 9/11. That is freely ignored.

I don't blame the recession on Clinton, the dot com era created a bubble economy, any economist will tell you that. However, Clinton manipulated the numbers by making drastic military cuts. So, the Trade Center was bombed, the USS Cole, the embassy, etc etc. What did Clinton do? He gave warning and sent a couple cruise missiles into abandoned camps in Afghanistan.

Kerry said Bush has taken troops out of Aghanistan to go to Iraq. That's another thing that shows he's either a liar, or incompetant. We have more troops in Afghanistan now than we did two years ago.

Bush gave tax cuts to EVERYONE, but Kerry said only the rich got them. Did you get a check? Thought so. That's a basic funamental difference in economics. . but, lowering taxes generates revenue, which in turn helps the economy. I can't even fathom what raising taxes would do to a struggling economy. . it would kill it.

Bush knows that the world is not a safe place, and he knows you can't just sit around and talk about making it better. It requires action. Saddam had every chance in the world to comply with the UN. For 12 years he gave them the finger. UN inspectors came out and said just a few weeks ago that yeah, he was manipulating them. Whether he has weapons hidden in the west bank, jordan, etc, remains to be seen.

It's the principle of it. How in the hell are you going to negotiate with your enemies if they don't think you're for real? Iran is laughing at France and Germany right now b/c they know they won't do a damn thing. England is in there and that's the only thing that's even making the talks possible.

You cannot give terrorists and like-minded people an inch, they'll take a mile

France has tried pacifism, yet their subways get bombed by Algerians just about every year for the past 20. Worked well for them.

Fight the war over there, not here. Changes do NOT happen over night, that's what Kerry and the like don't understand. Even with a Constitution as perfect as ours, it still took women 150 years to get the right to vote.

It's easy to sit around on a campus and say, "Well, the world hates us, lets be nice and everything will be okay." It sounds nice, but it doesn't work that way.

In the 80s the same people thought Reagan was a wreckless war-mongering cowboy that didn't know ****. Reagan ended the cold war, not Jimmy Carter.

If you want to know anything more specific, feel free to ask.
11-05-2004 11:39 AM
jetskifast
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Originally Posted by Pigface1
I love it. . Bush is in office, so no more sushi!

You're killin' me. I know the bud is arguably the best in the world in northern cal/humbolt, but damnit, clean your bong every now and then.
Thanks to Bush get used to your fresh frozen sushi
11-05-2004 11:37 AM
jetskifast
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Originally Posted by dubbs
Just list the good things bush has done, why you voted for him, dont be an asshat just list facts, i really wana know. And The Saint, my grammar is not in question here its how bad bush is.
Saint is spin master troll
I bet he does not have the sack to post why he voted for Bush
11-05-2004 11:33 AM
jetskifast
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Originally Posted by Pigface1
Saint, Ted still hasn't answered my questions from three weeks ago. Just like Busa Babe won't respond.

The left CAN'T respond when you start talking facts. They throw their hands up and mock everyone that doesn't agree with them. And so that's why the majority spoke and outvoted them by nearly 4,000,000.
About 200 million eligible voters in America Do the math, Bush did not get majority of eligible voters votes.
Have to go to the dumps today, have a good day
11-05-2004 11:32 AM
Violet
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Originally Posted by Pigface1
And so that's why the majority spoke and outvoted them by nearly 4,000,000.

...and that's gotta sting.
11-05-2004 11:32 AM
Pigface1 I love it. . Bush is in office, so no more sushi!

You're killin' me. I know the bud is arguably the best in the world in northern cal/humbolt, but damnit, clean your bong every now and then.
11-05-2004 11:31 AM
dubbs Just list the good things bush has done, why you voted for him, dont be an asshat just list facts, i really wana know. And The Saint, my grammar is not in question here its how bad bush is.
11-05-2004 11:28 AM
jetskifast
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Originally Posted by The Saint
Sorry, Ted. I'll start answering your questions (no matter how ridiculous), when you do. Until then, you get random pictures...


You have learned well from Mr Bush, Mr spin master
My favorite sushi chef is pissed at Bush. Bush administration is pushing bill which allows fresh sushi to be labeled fresh, if fish has not been stored below 28 degrees Hope you enjoy your frozen sushi
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