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06-24-2007 07:11 PM
JJFast
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Originally Posted by FD2BLK View Post
I really think they need to scrap the POS trany before they start to worry about the power plant. While the bike may be a bit down on top end HP it is still a stump puller down low but the trany on these is defiantly not up to snuff under any measurement of a modern sports bike. I find it hard to believe they kept a 5 speed grinder box that is about the worst trany I have ever had in any bike I have ever owned, and I have owned a lot of bike over the years, when they redesigned the bike back in 2003.
yeah.that shocked me too....thought the shifting would be like butter on a buell....its a very definite shift thats for sure..
06-11-2007 04:30 PM
Gas Man
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Originally Posted by onesickpsycho View Post
Really? I thought that after the initial 1k, everything was A-Ok... Good to know... I am very interested in your suggestions...



What he said...
Well like I said... Big Dog suggest after 3K as well as S&S. Now you basically have a HD sporty drivetrain. That being said... there are alot of primary/tranny oil combos. I'm not sure about running the Shockproof though. That's what I run in my Baker Tranny on the dog. But its a seperate oil. I have ran HD dino (normal) oils in my dog up until the switch to synth. BUt HD also makes a good synthetic oil.

Here's a shot of the primary/tranny oil called Formula X. I'm pouring it into the primary. But I used the same stuff in my tranny on that service.


And here's me pouring in the motor oil




06-11-2007 12:13 PM
OneSickPsycho
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Originally Posted by Gas Man View Post
I wouldn't suggest that. Most companies would not suggest synthetic oils till after 3,000 miles. When I switched on my chop.. I switch to synth oil in my primary, engine, and tranny. Haven't noticed any difference in the primary. But the motors valve train is quieter. And the tranny is smoother and less clunking.

I'm sorry but I don't know this next thing..

Does the Buells run seperate oils. engine, primary, tranny??? I might be able to give some good suggestions if so...
Really? I thought that after the initial 1k, everything was A-Ok... Good to know... I am very interested in your suggestions...

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Originally Posted by FD2BLK View Post
Yes the engine oil is in the swing arm and the trany/primary oil is held in the primary cover. From the factory they have gear oil in the primary/Trany and motor oil in the motor/swingarm
What he said...
06-11-2007 12:05 PM
fnfalman Since that Buell is owned by Harley-Davidson and Harley is controlling the money, you're not going to see a lot of research and development to be spent for hotrodding an engine for the Buells. Buell sales are not exactly spectacular so HD isn't going to spend the extra bucks (even though they can afford it). Say what you will about The Motor Company, they do know how to make money.

America's motorcycling pride isn't about making the fastest bikes any more. America's motorcycling pride is about "coolness" and "attitude", hence HD is selling like hot cakes to all of those people who grew up wanna be like Peter Fonda's Easy Rider or playing Billy Badass Hell's Angels marauders.

The supposedly hardcore riders claim that Harleys are made for long distance cruising. Pray tell then why is it that when I do interstate ridings I usually see Goldwings and BMW touring bikes (and a red Aprilia )?

Back in the days the Sportster was made to combat British sport bikes. The VR1000 made a brief appearance that made my heart fluttered and then HD took a stake to it like I was a vampire.

Believe it or not, Americans do want a competitive American sport bike. But the only joint that has the moolah to do so won't make it.

I'm not a mechanical engineer so I can't say with certainty, but I'm sure that with R&D even the 45-degree aircool V-twin can be made to be highly competitive. No, it will never put out the oomph of the watercooled V-twin or the watercooled I-4, but it can be made competitive. Just look at the BMW R1200S: 1200-cc aircooled flat twin churning out 122-hp and 82-lbft of torque. Kicking ass against the watercooled V-twin and competitive against the watercooled I-4. Who had ever heard of that? But BMW just placed mid-pack in the Le Mans endurance racing against Japanese and Italian liter I-4s. Hell, it even beat out the Ducati 1098 and the MV Agusta F4 1000.

All it takes is commitment and money from Harley-Davidson to make Buell great. But you won't see it.
06-11-2007 05:43 AM
FD2BLK
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Originally Posted by Gas Man View Post
Does the Buells run seperate oils. engine, primary, tranny??? I might be able to give some good suggestions if so...
Yes the engine oil is in the swing arm and the trany/primary oil is held in the primary cover. From the factory they have gear oil in the primary/Trany and motor oil in the motor/swingarm
06-11-2007 03:15 AM
Gas Man I wouldn't suggest that. Most companies would not suggest synthetic oils till after 3,000 miles. When I switched on my chop.. I switch to synth oil in my primary, engine, and tranny. Haven't noticed any difference in the primary. But the motors valve train is quieter. And the tranny is smoother and less clunking.

I'm sorry but I don't know this next thing..

Does the Buells run seperate oils. engine, primary, tranny??? I might be able to give some good suggestions if so...



06-11-2007 02:31 AM
OneSickPsycho
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Originally Posted by Gas Man View Post
Switching to synthetic oils will also help with this...
Already planning on doing so during my first service...
06-11-2007 02:12 AM
Gas Man Switching to synthetic oils will also help with this...



06-09-2007 11:53 AM
OneSickPsycho
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Originally Posted by FD2BLK View Post
Suposedly they made a lot of changes in 06 but my 04 is as pretty poor for a bike with only 7K on it. I am not saying the trany is unusable but rather I can see no reason for it to feel like it is grinding going into second just because it is 95 Deg. outside and the bike is a little warm. Go Under the knowledge vault on bad weather bikers and you will see I am not alone. I am going to retro fit my clutch with the 06 parts to hopefully help with the situation but we will see.
My '07 shifts nearly as smoothly as my old Ninj... It's still in break-in too...
06-09-2007 10:45 AM
FD2BLK
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Originally Posted by marko138 View Post
It would be nice to see a 6 speed in these Buells for sure. And something a bit smoother...although I dont think they are quite as bad as you make them out to be.
Suposedly they made a lot of changes in 06 but my 04 is as pretty poor for a bike with only 7K on it. I am not saying the trany is unusable but rather I can see no reason for it to feel like it is grinding going into second just because it is 95 Deg. outside and the bike is a little warm. Go Under the knowledge vault on bad weather bikers and you will see I am not alone. I am going to retro fit my clutch with the 06 parts to hopefully help with the situation but we will see.
06-08-2007 10:38 PM
marko138
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Originally Posted by FD2BLK View Post
I really think they need to scrap the POS trany before they start to worry about the power plant. While the bike may be a bit down on top end HP it is still a stump puller down low but the trany on these is defiantly not up to snuff under any measurement of a modern sports bike. I find it hard to believe they kept a 5 speed grinder box that is about the worst trany I have ever had in any bike I have ever owned, and I have owned a lot of bike over the years, when they redesigned the bike back in 2003.
It would be nice to see a 6 speed in these Buells for sure. And something a bit smoother...although I dont think they are quite as bad as you make them out to be.



06-08-2007 09:55 PM
FD2BLK I really think they need to scrap the POS trany before they start to worry about the power plant. While the bike may be a bit down on top end HP it is still a stump puller down low but the trany on these is defiantly not up to snuff under any measurement of a modern sports bike. I find it hard to believe they kept a 5 speed grinder box that is about the worst trany I have ever had in any bike I have ever owned, and I have owned a lot of bike over the years, when they redesigned the bike back in 2003.
06-06-2007 04:17 PM
byron12
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Originally Posted by Preacher View Post
You have to remember a few facts about Buells...

The SPortster engine has been the choice of HD Racers for 50 years because it has always put out more power per pound than any other HD motor, and that includes the VRod.

The Buell was designed around the Sportster motor and not designed like a lot of bikes are, around the frame and the motor being an afterthought. With the motor being a stress member and part of the frame, you can't just stick another motor in there either! It would require re-engineering the entire bike for a less capable motor.

Cost is also a factor. You can take a stock Sportster engine and get gobs of power out of it a lot cheaper than you can buy a stock VRod motor. The price of the Buell would shoot up by a hefty percentage and that is not even taking the R&R amortization into account.

Last, and to the HD enthusiast, certainly not least, is that the Sportster is pure HD while the VRod does not have the same heritage (sound, feel, history). Some people feel that it is a step forward, but a lot of us are not as enamoured with change for change's sake.

Awesome post rept.....
06-06-2007 04:10 PM
marko138
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Originally Posted by Gas Man View Post
That is true Preacher... even though the V-rod has been around there are alot of peeps that don't like it and its glycol. However, the real old schoolers don't even like the Evo motor and REALLY don't like the twin cam.
Yeah...absolutely. Alot of the HD guys I know shun the V-rod. They HATE it.



06-06-2007 03:52 PM
Gas Man That is true Preacher... even though the V-rod has been around there are alot of peeps that don't like it and its glycol. However, the real old schoolers don't even like the Evo motor and REALLY don't like the twin cam.



06-06-2007 02:53 PM
Preacher You have to remember a few facts about Buells...

The SPortster engine has been the choice of HD Racers for 50 years because it has always put out more power per pound than any other HD motor, and that includes the VRod.

The Buell was designed around the Sportster motor and not designed like a lot of bikes are, around the frame and the motor being an afterthought. With the motor being a stress member and part of the frame, you can't just stick another motor in there either! It would require re-engineering the entire bike for a less capable motor.

Cost is also a factor. You can take a stock Sportster engine and get gobs of power out of it a lot cheaper than you can buy a stock VRod motor. The price of the Buell would shoot up by a hefty percentage and that is not even taking the R&R amortization into account.

Last, and to the HD enthusiast, certainly not least, is that the Sportster is pure HD while the VRod does not have the same heritage (sound, feel, history). Some people feel that it is a step forward, but a lot of us are not as enamoured with change for change's sake.
06-06-2007 11:54 AM
OneSickPsycho
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Originally Posted by marko138 View Post
Even that crappy Big Dog?
06-06-2007 05:24 AM
marko138
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Originally Posted by Gas Man View Post
With the proper tuning the V-rod motor will desimate all!
Even that crappy Big Dog?



06-05-2007 05:37 PM
Gas Man With the proper tuning the V-rod motor will desimate all!



06-04-2007 11:15 PM
marko138
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Originally Posted by onesickpsycho View Post
They have a crazy amount of potential though... Think VRod Destroyer...
Hmm. You may be onto something.



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