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06-23-2005 05:37 PM
Captain Morgan
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpeedWerks.com
If you believe that Michelin, a company that spends millions on developing F1 and other race tires, came to Indy (after racing there 5 times before) with no clue about the track surface and features ... then I have a bridge for sale in Manhatten you might find very attractive

- Roach
Well, in regards to track surface, the track WAS just repaved and has a LOT more grip than it used to (at least the oval portion, which was the area of concern), which could have POSSIBLY contributed to Michelin's problem. However, as the letters stated, each team is allowed to bring two different types of tires and Michelin chose their destiny poorly.
06-23-2005 04:46 AM
tecknomage
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatburg
found this pretty funny
roflmao
06-22-2005 11:11 PM
Grafixx01 That's interesting. Kinda blurry to read, but I can make it out...
06-22-2005 10:40 PM
fatburg found this pretty funny
06-22-2005 09:50 PM
Grafixx01
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpeedWerks.com
TON of really bad information here.

#1 - Bernie's comment about Danika is humor taken out of context - it's half of what he said. Bernie has been a long time supporter of Danika, personally and professionally.

#2: Michelin and their teams are the cause of the whole thing. NOT the FIA. The FIA simply enforced their rules. Period. Which they should have. If it had been a Bridgestone problem (as han been the case several times this year), you would have seen 7 Michelin teams saying "Sorry for your luck, see you in France".

Michelin had the same belt separation problem last year - this is what caused Ralph to hit the wall and be seriously injured, missing several races. Even with this, they chose NOT to send anyone to the pre-USGP tire selection test, except for two third string drivers from two teams. They had an opportunity to test and change their tire design. They chose not to.

They showed up with tires that could not go the race distance. They flew in the SAME tires, thinking the ones they had were a bad batch - at 5am Sunday they told the teams the new tires would have the same problem.

Think about this for a minute - you show up at a race track, qualify, then ask that the sanctioning body change the race track to suit your needs. And you expect this to happen?? When the other tire company has no such problem??

*** The FIA told Michelin in a letter that they could pit their cars and change tires throughout the race in the name of safety. Michelin and their teams declined this option and boycotted the race ***.

So ... They brought the wrong tires (because they didn't test), and were given a safety option that wouldn't make them competative (against Bridgestone who did bring the right tires), so they stomped their feet and held their breath, then picked up their toys and went home.

Screw Michelin. It was a terrible day all around, but I applaud the FIA for not bending to a manufacturer trying to dictate the rules. Michelin did have options, just not the ones they wanted.

Just my opinion, of course
- Roach
I like that name. The girls that I've seen with that name are like
06-22-2005 03:37 PM
Gas Man
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Originally Posted by pickle.of.doom
They should've just slapped some Pilot Powers on those cars




06-22-2005 01:21 PM
JK_DILLA thats funny pod!

If f1 is done here, then Ecclsetone (?) may have to buy Indy or CART like he was considering.
06-22-2005 12:45 PM
pickle.of.doom They should've just slapped some Pilot Powers on those cars
06-22-2005 08:12 AM
chev I'd be pissed too. That's BS. They're done over here. They won't be back for a while.
06-22-2005 02:42 AM
Chuckademus I can understand people being upset, paying $120 for tickets to the World Refuelling Championships, but I cant see the the difference between 6 cars going around not passing each other, or 20 cars goind round, not passing each other.
06-22-2005 02:08 AM
tecknomage and this is why I say stick with tires from Japan well at least I plan to get my next set of tires from Japan when I bought the Daytona that are on my car and my dad tells me to go check and make sure that they are date stamped because Daytona or what ever the actual manufacture is had let some old tires out of the ware house and people where losing chunks off of there tires

any one have a video clip of the F1 rack I missed it Sunday but I got to see Batman Begins

And it’s a pity people are going to boycott Michelin I heard that they just came out with an awesome tires for sports bikes that a couple magazines are raving about
06-21-2005 09:58 PM
larryg I was at the race. I totally agree with Roach. The end.

Larry
06-21-2005 10:45 AM
Todd Any particular color stickier than the rest?
06-21-2005 08:46 AM
twisty Buy Tomahawk and tell them Twistified Racing sent you. I loaned a set to friend and he said that they were the stickiest tries he ever used.
06-21-2005 08:43 AM
Gas Man I comend you for your idea on a boycott but it simply won't work. There are enough people that don't pay any attention to F1 racing that will have no idea of this. And just continue to buy thier tires.

I can't even tell you that I will change my purchase of tires on the knowledge of this. This is big biz at it's best. And if anybody thinks that this stuff doesn't happen with other teams, companies, and racing establishments, then I too have a bridge for sale.

Trying to cheat the system in whatever way possible is dang near a american past time.





06-20-2005 10:08 PM
JK_DILLA Roach you are more informed than i and youre probably right. Iknow there is politics in all competition, but it got waaaaaaay outta hand here, and american fans footed the bill.

I saw it somewhere, CART is honoring indy F1 tickets ant thier next race. Anyone else see this?
06-20-2005 07:07 PM
bumblebee On Sunday when I was watching the pre-race show, I realized Michelin had really messed up and was trying to Bully its way through. It reminded me of the Goodyear and Hoosier battles of the 90's in NASCAR... FIA should get their hand back into their own pockets and go with one tire supplier. If all of the cars had been on the same rubber, it would have been the same for everyone. But remember, Michelin is a French company, and I think they are proud of themselves the way they got to F*ck the Americans at the home of the greatest race in the world...So what will our, as in American, response be??? I, for one just had new tires put on the BEE today, and they are NOT Michelin. I had picked out a set of pilots that were to be put on today...But I called at 8:30 this morning and changed the order...I can live without Michelin tires...and if enough people follow, we will explain the situation to the Michelin people the only way they will understand, a big drop in sales...
06-20-2005 06:50 PM
SpeedWerks.com Letter from Charlie Whiting, the FIA Formula One Race Director, in reply to above letter from Representatives of Michelin:

19 June, 2005

Dear Mr Dupasquier,
Dear Mr Shorrock,

We have received your letter of 18 June.

We are very surprised that this difficulty has arisen. As you know, each team is allowed to bring two different types of tyre to an event so as to ensure that a back-up (usually of lower performance) is available should problems occur. It is hard to understand why you have not supplied your teams with such a tyre given your years of experience at Indianapolis.

That the teams you supply are not in possession of such a tyre will also be a matter for the FIA to consider in due course under Article 151c of the International Sporting Code.

No doubt you will inform your teams what is the maximum safe speed for their cars in Turn 13. We will remind them of the need to follow your advice for safety reasons. We will also ask them to ensure their cars do not obstruct other competitors.

Some of the teams have raised with us the possibility of running a tyre which was not used in qualifying. We have told them this would be a breach of the rules to be considered by the stewards. We believe the penalty would not be exclusion but would have to be heavy enough to ensure that no team was tempted to use qualifying tyres in the future.

Another possibility would be for the relevant teams repeatedly to change the affected tyre during the race (we understand you have told your teams the left rear is safe for a maximum of ten laps at full speed). If the technical delegate and the stewards were satisfied that each change was made because the tyre would otherwise fail (thus for genuine safety reasons) and that the relevant team were not gaining an advantage, there would be no penalty. If this meant using tyres additional to a teams’ allocation, the stewards would consider all the circumstances in deciding what penalty, if any, to apply.

Finally, it has been suggested that a chicane should be laid out in Turn 13. I am sure you will appreciate that this is out of the question. To change the course in order to help some of the teams with a performance problem caused by their failure to bring suitable equipment to the race would be a breach of the rules and grossly unfair to those teams which have come to Indianapolis with the correct tyres.

Yours sincerely,

Charlie Whiting
FIA Formula One Race Director

cc: Bernie Ecclestone
Ron Dennis (West McLaren-Mercedes)
Flavio Briatore (Mild Seven Renault F1)
Frank Williams (BMW WilliamsF1 Team)
Peter Sauber (Sauber Petronas)
Christian Horner (Red Bull Racing)
Nick Fry (B-A-R Honda)
John Howett (Panasonic Toyota Racing)
Jean Todt (Scuderia Ferrari)
Colin Kolles (Jordan Grand Prix)
Paul Stoddart (Minardi F1 Team)

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06-20-2005 06:11 PM
SpeedWerks.com
Quote:
Originally Posted by JK_DILLA
Ive read several articles by several outlets and most steer you towards the FIA being the bad guy, this is just a slant put on by the writers then?
No idea, I only know what the facts are, and that's that the FIA enfored the rules as they are in their rule book. Last time I looked, everyone gets a copy at the beginning of the year. If you're not going to enforce rules, there's no reason to have them.

Again, in my opinion, this was a political power-play gone seriously egg-shaped. They expected the FIA to cave in to their demands. If you watch the race, the Michelin drivers even stayed in the cars after they started the race ... thinking it would be stopped before lap 2 was completed (for it to be an official race start, they have to complete 2 laps). After 2 laps, they all got out of their cars with looks of disbelief.

If you believe that Michelin, a company that spends millions on developing F1 and other race tires, came to Indy (after racing there 5 times before) with no clue about the track surface and features ... then I have a bridge for sale in Manhatten you might find very attractive

- Roach
06-20-2005 04:01 PM
Captain Morgan
Quote:
Originally Posted by JK_DILLA
Ive read several articles by several outlets and most steer you towards the FIA being the bad guy, this is just a slant put on by the writers then?
That's the slant that I've seen as well. But I completely understand Brian's opinion and feel that it makes a LOT of sense.
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