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07-15-2005 04:10 PM
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yes! just too make people thru it or scroll thru it.

I started to use the scroll wheel, then looked at the sidebar and grabbed hold, dragged it down...Too much! Good though...
07-15-2005 04:04 PM
R1up0n1
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Feelin' the love Ace...

SV,

Was all that code really necessary?
yes! just too make people thru it or scroll thru it.
07-15-2005 12:41 PM
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Could have fooled me with your whoring lately. LOL :dthum

Feelin' the love Ace...

SV,

Was all that code really necessary?
07-15-2005 09:41 AM
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I just hate sitting infront of a computer screen all day, pounding keys...

Could have fooled me with your whoring lately. LOL :dthum
07-15-2005 02:53 AM
Grafixx01 I like designing sites. Well, just like the drawing out on paper side. I was going to college for computer science, I just hate sitting infront of a computer screen all day, pounding keys trying to figure out why snit don't work. Then you come to realize that like one little period is what is screwing up your entire code. And it is usually something that small that messes it up and it takes forever to find it, especially if the code is long. Writing it is boring, cracking it is where the fun is at!
07-14-2005 09:40 PM
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I thought you said you didnt know what codelifter.com was. I found in you coding!!! Please explain?
Considering I can't remember last week, never mind a year and a half ago, I'm going to assume that when I wanted to pop a browser window that showed a jpg for alternate images in the catalog using javascript ... I used google, typed in "javascript image pop up window", and that's what I found. (I just tried it ... yup, comes right up ... first result. Check the code). I couldn't even tell you what "codelifter.com" is, does, or anything else.

And the problem with this is? I mean, I suppose I could have walked over to the bookshelf, grabbed my O'Riley Javascript book, and used their simple example code ... but typing it into google was even easier. Or I guess I could have used any of the other 836,000 results that google presented ... would that make me more |eeT?

I wrote C/C++ code for years on the server side ... these goofy web scripting languages are cool and all, but I really have no interest in spending any amount of time learning them as I have little use other than the one or two functions I use them for in the catalog ... I google for examples, I copy and paste (and modify as needed). I see little use in re-inventing the wheel

- Roach
07-14-2005 08:24 PM
R1up0n1
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I could handle that!
Oh me too! I install this stuff all day long, yet I don't have one in my own house! WTF!
07-14-2005 08:22 PM
Gas Man I could handle that!



07-14-2005 08:15 PM
R1up0n1
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Damn techies! Stop messing with my porn!!
Watch porn on this wall Gas Man...
07-14-2005 08:15 PM
SpeedWerks.com I only do the basic html pages on our site. I don't ever even look at code because I don't know anything beyond basic tags. I know how to add text, a table and graphics because the program does it for you. Being that you are a web guru, you'd probably be really scared if you even saw me try to do that.

Laura
07-14-2005 08:11 PM
Gas Man Damn techies! Stop messing with my porn!!



07-14-2005 06:18 PM
twisty I thought you said you didnt know what codelifter.com was. I found in you coding!!! Please explain?

</SCRIPT>
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// Copyright 2003
// Do not remove this notice.
07-14-2005 06:16 PM
R1up0n1 I'm not that great at writing HTML stuff either. I deal with this stuff all day long, and I like it better.
07-14-2005 06:04 PM
SpeedWerks.com All that does is give me a headache! I don't know how you guys who build sites all day can look at all of that gobledygook!

I prefer my easy web sphere program. No need to look at the HTML if I don't have to. However, as twisty mentioned, it does add a bunch of jargon and useless stuff that I don't understand. I am constantly asking Roach "why the heck is this doing this instead of what I want it to?" He'll go straight to the html and say "because it added this and that and the other..." and then he proceeds to go into "geek" mode about how he hates these programs and that's why coding for yourself is better and I should read this book and that book...and that is when my ears close and I say "yes, dear."
Laura
07-14-2005 05:59 PM
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Or, like Amazon.com (the worlds largest e-tailer), you don't use use things like flash that alienates the millions of people still on dial-up that will instantly leave your site when it takes longer than 20 seconds to load. Or not work correctly on the 18% of the market that isn't using MSIE and flash is either painfully slow (still a problem with some flash animations in firefox/mozilla) or not render correctly (Mac and Linux/Unix systems). I will not use MSIE on my windoze machine, and none of my other machines can even run it if I wanted to, so I see this a lot when visiting heavy flash sites (speedtv.com is a prime example ... their main page does not render correctly in Firefox). <br />
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A pretty website with animaitons often isn't the best way to do things <img src="https://www.twowheelforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /> If everyone was on a broadband connection and you knew the pages would render exactly the same for everyone ... then, it wouldn't be a concern. A mixture generally isn't bad, but in many cases it doesn't really add much to the presentation unless you've got a graphics designer doing your animations for you. <br />
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I tend to do layout in a WYSIWYG tool to get a feel for how I want things to look, then hand-code everything. I think flash is cool, but I don't want the problems I outlined above when trying to reach the broadest audience possible. I sometimes use javascript for dynamic stuff like populating pull-down menus, but that's about it. Pure HTML is the only way you can guarantee fast loadtimes and cross platform and browser compatability, which is really important for a business site. For a personal site ... eh, I'd probably have a cool flash thing <img src="https://www.twowheelforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /><br />
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EDIT: I have seen a few sites done entirely in flash that actually have a very good UI, load fast, and render correctly on all my machines. They are few and far between though, and you'd need a REALLY good flash designer and do a lot of testing to achieve it.<br />
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<div style="font-style:italic">Or, like Amazon.com (the worlds largest e-tailer), you don't use use things like flash that alienates the millions of people still on dial-up that will instantly leave your site when it takes longer than 20 seconds to load. Or not work correctly on the 18% of the market that isn't using MSIE and flash is either painfully slow (still a problem with some flash animations in firefox/mozilla) or not render correctly (Mac and Linux/Unix systems). I will not use MSIE on my windoze machine, and none of my other machines can even run it if I wanted to, so I see this a lot when visiting heavy flash sites (speedtv.com is a prime example ... their main page does not render correctly in Firefox). <br />
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A pretty website with animaitons often isn't the best way to do things <img src="https://www.twowheelforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /> If everyone was on a broadband connection and you knew the pages would render exactly the same for everyone ... then, it wouldn't be a concern. A mixture generally isn't bad, but in many cases it doesn't really add much to the presentation unless you've got a graphics designer doing your animations for you. <br />
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I tend to do layout in a WYSIWYG tool to get a feel for how I want things to look, then hand-code everything. I think flash is cool, but I don't want the problems I outlined above when trying to reach the broadest audience possible. I sometimes use javascript for dynamic stuff like populating pull-down menus, but that's about it. Pure HTML is the only way you can guarantee fast loadtimes and cross platform and browser compatability, which is really important for a business site. For a personal site ... eh, I'd probably have a cool flash thing <img src="https://www.twowheelforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /><br />
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EDIT: I have seen a few sites done entirely in flash that actually have a very good UI, load fast, and render correctly on all my machines. They are few and far between though, and you'd need a REALLY good flash designer and do a lot of testing to achieve it.<br />
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All my flash sites open and render entirley on evey brower and machine. When your a designer you have to load all extentions and pluging for media types. With way maket is right now you can efford to make janky site.<br />
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My dominos website is the apple of my eye. There is ton of stuff that customers cant see but I designed the STAR system that allows all the stores to logon and order suppleys from the site. I desinged the shell before i left them for the internet customers to order pizza over the web. Great for hackers, pornsurfers and post whores, they dont even need to leave thier computer.<br />
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07-14-2005 01:33 PM
ShanMan14 Split from Gas Man's 520 chain conversion thread...
07-14-2005 11:15 AM
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Im sorry didnt know you guys used websphere. i havent had the time to check out how you site was written but I didnt meam to include you guys as Idiots....
No worries. I do the best I can, and I'm happy with that. Hopefully I'll get better as time goes on, but until then, the Idiot program does a good job for me. LOL!
07-14-2005 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by bumblebee
And I thank-you for it...Since I moved out to the dirt road...my dial up has gone from avg of 48 - 52 K to 24K... No cable ...am investigating satellite ISP's that will be compatible with Direct TV. Direct wants over 100 bucks... ...Any Ideas?? may need another dish??

Oh, Yeah...
You are SO screwed

The reason your dial-up is only running at 24k is because you're beind a lovely piece of equipment the phone companies were deploying in the '80s (and even through the '90s in a lot of areas). It's called a lightspan unit and it chanelizes fiber to analog phone lines running over copper ... giving each channel only 28k of bandwidth. A 56k modem will only connect at 28k (which after overhead, leaves you at 24k). Oh, and it's not compatable with DSL either. The only high-speed technology that will run over it is ISDN (or iDSL which is a DSL technology using ISDN signaling) running at a symmetrical 128k for an obscene amount of money.

(This was all learned the hard way after purchasing a *brand new house* in '98 in the DC metro area that was behind one of these frigging things. I paid $120 a month for a year for iDSL (had to have it for work). They (Verizon) later deployed remote terminals to these areas to allow DSL to work over fiber).

Satellite is expensive because they have to reserve a lot of satellite bandwidth for it. Cheapest I've seen is about $85 a month (we looked into it for having internet at the track with the RV).

- Roach
07-14-2005 10:48 AM
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All my flash sites open and render entirley on evey brower and machine.
Including that one ... actually renders perfectly on this machine (Sun Ultra5 running Solaris 9 and Firefox).

But that's what I'm talking about - it's using a nice mix of flash and HTML that isn't slow and cumbersome. Alpinestars' new site for example ... I frigging hate it. It's pretty to look at, but painfull to navigate and use. Summit Point Raceway has the same problem with their new Flash website - the schedule listing has the "horribly slow in firefox" problem, and it takes like 3 minutes to scroll through it!

Once I finish a lot of the new code I'm working on now for the back-end of our site, I'm going to be re-visiting our site design and layout to add a lot of new things. I wouldn't mind adding some small flash animations especially on the main catalog page, but for us it's a big investment in time over doing plain HTML which is hard to justify.

- Roach
07-14-2005 10:47 AM
bumblebee
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Or, like Amazon.com (the worlds largest e-tailer), you don't use use things like flash that alienates the millions of people still on dial-up that will instantly leave your site when it takes longer than 20 seconds to load. Or not work correctly on the 18% of the market that isn't using MSIE and flash is either painfully slow (still a problem with some flash animations in firefox/mozilla) or not render correctly (Mac and Linux/Unix systems).
- Roach

And I thank-you for it...Since I moved out to the dirt road...my dial up has gone from avg of 48 - 52 K to 24K... No cable ...am investigating satellite ISP's that will be compatible with Direct TV. Direct wants over 100 bucks... ...Any Ideas?? may need another dish??

Oh, Yeah...
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