Anyone run race fuel in their bike?

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GSXR1000DJ

Discussion Starter · Feb 15, 2005

I know Gas Man will have a lot to say about this one. I have used it before a few times and didn't really see a big difference.

Does anyone use it on the strip or on the track on track days?? Or just on the street?

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SpeedWerks.com

· #21 · Feb 17, 2005 (Edited)

2FURYUS said:
Are you guys getting 100 octane at a gas station? I don't know of anywhere in Southern Cali you can get over 91 octane.

Sunoco out here on the east coast sells 100 octane unleaded at stations near race tracks and drag strips. It's actually really convenient and cheaper (compared to specialty race gas) if you've got a motor with a decked head or thin gaskets and just need a bit more octane. We always take an empty 10 or 20 gal drum with us if we're going to a track that has one nearby - we use it in the shop for dyno tuning race motors.

But again ... putting it in a stock motor ... does nothing. If you want to burn $20 bills, I'd be happy to take them off your hands instead

- Brian Roach
- SpeedWerks.com

SpeedWerks.com

· #22 · Feb 17, 2005

bulldog said:
so gas man i should get the cheap gas???? or the primium gas?????? (button 1 2 or 3)

The SV only has a 11.5 to 1 compression ratio stock. I don't have a manual in front of me, but I would guess it recommends 89 octane (though it could be 87 ... it's close).

- Brian Roach
- SpeedWerks.com

2FURYUS

· #23 · Feb 17, 2005

SpeedWerks.com said:
Sunoco out here on the east coast sells 100 octane unleaded at stations near race tracks and drag strips. It's actually really convenient and cheaper (compared to specialty race gas) if you've got a motor with a decked head or thin gaskets and just need a bit more octane. We always take an empty 10 or 20 gal drum with us if we're going to a track that has one nearby - we use it in the shop for dyno tuning race motors.

But again ... putting it in a stock motor ... does nothing. If you want to burn $20 bills, I'd be happy to take them off your hands instead

Thanks Brian, but my wife has no problem burnin' thru them twenties fast enough.... :lol:

Gas Man, Do you know if the 110 from the airport is the same as the shyyt you get at a gas station?
(that's what I was tryin to ask earlier) :screwy:

GsxrJack

· #24 · Feb 17, 2005

2FURYUS said:
SpeedWerks.com said:

Sunoco out here on the east coast sells 100 octane unleaded at stations near race tracks and drag strips. It's actually really convenient and cheaper (compared to specialty race gas) if you've got a motor with a decked head or thin gaskets and just need a bit more octane. We always take an empty 10 or 20 gal drum with us if we're going to a track that has one nearby - we use it in the shop for dyno tuning race motors.

But again ... putting it in a stock motor ... does nothing. If you want to burn $20 bills, I'd be happy to take them off your hands instead

Thanks Brian, but my wife has no problem burnin' thru them twenties fast enough.... :lol:

Gas Man, Do you know if the 110 from the airport is the same as the shyyt you get at a gas station?
(that's what I was tryin to ask earlier) :screwy:

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i think your talking about avgas (sp) at the airport, and i beleive it has a lot more additives in it than regular gas station pump gas or even leaded race gas...i would stay away from it even if your bike needs 100+ octane gas.....

SpeedWerks.com

· #25 · Feb 17, 2005

GsxrJack said:
i think your talking about avgas (sp) at the airport, and i beleive it has a lot more additives in it than regular gas station pump gas or even leaded race gas...i would stay away from it even if your bike needs 100+ octane gas.....

AV gas is 100LL - 100 octane "light lead" ... used for small prop planes.

- Roach

GsxrJack

· #26 · Feb 17, 2005

SpeedWerks.com said:
AV gas is 100LL - 100 octane "light lead" ... used for small prop planes.

- Roach

i always thought it had different additives in it than pump gas for cars...things to prevent it from freezing at altitude etc...gas will gum up at -40f or so..(we test jeta and JP5 at those temps and have to be carefull) and i was also told that avgas could harm seals etc on a car engine, though this is going back a few years or so....

course it all could have been bullcrap, to prevent us from using it in our cars too :wink:

SpeedWerks.com

· #27 · Feb 17, 2005

GsxrJack said:
i always thought it had different additives in it than pump gas for cars...things to prevent it from freezing at altitude etc...gas will gum up at -40f or so..(we test jeta and JP5 at those temps and have to be carefull) and i was also told that avgas could harm seals etc on a car engine, though this is going back a few years or so....

course it all could have been bullcrap, to prevent us from using it in our cars too :wink:

That ... I don't know. The only reason I know it's 100LL is because in '99 we went to CMP (Carolina Motorsports Park) when it first opened ... and they didn't have their fuel pumps up and running yet. Silly us ... didn't bring any race gas. After finding nothing else, I drove to the little airport in Kershaw, SC and bought 15 gals of AVgas for us to use for the weekend ... worked like a champ

At the time I was running a FZR400 superbike and a TZ125 GP bike ... both needed the octane. And actually, a lot of 125GP bikes used to be tuned for AVgas due to the availability of it and lower cost (vs. real race gas).

One thing about racing ... you end up in the most bizarre situations on a regular basis

- Roach

2FURYUS

· #28 · Feb 17, 2005

GsxrJack said:
i always thought it had different additives in it than pump gas for cars...things to prevent it from freezing at altitude etc...gas will gum up at -40f or so..(we test jeta and JP5 at those temps and have to be carefull) and i was also told that avgas could harm seals etc on a car engine, though this is going back a few years or so....

course it all could have been bullcrap, to prevent us from using it in our cars too :wink:

I thought it had extra BS in it too.....wasn't sure how good that was for a bike... :skep:

Not that I need it....was just curious.

Brian, you say you used it with no negative effects?

Gas Man

· #29 · Feb 17, 2005

2Fury...are you talking about JetFuel that the jet's (commercial, like AA,NorthWest) use in their planes????

If so, you guys are WWWWAAAAAAAYYYYYYY off base.... I'll bite my tongue till I see your response....

GsxrJack

· #30 · Feb 17, 2005 (Edited)

Gas Man said:
2Fury...are you talking about JetFuel that the jet's (commercial, like AA,NorthWest) use in their planes????

If so, you guys are WWWWAAAAAAAYYYYYYY off base.... I'll bite my tongue till I see your response....

no not JP5 or JET-A or that type of fuel for the larger jet engine aircraft, that is like kerosein not gasoline, this is in the little airports where the small planes use this 100+octane gasoline....

Gas Man

· #31 · Feb 17, 2005

JP4 and JP8 is military issue! JP4 is similar to gasoline and JP8 is similar to jet fuel and/or kero!

My company ships all the above!

GsxrJack

· #32 · Feb 17, 2005

Gas Man said:
JP4 and JP8 is military issue! JP4 is similar to gasoline and JP8 is similar to jet fuel and/or kero!

My company ships all the above!

Ya, the military is getting away from JP4, especially the navy since JP4 has a low flash point and not a great thing on a ship...We here at general electirc do not use JP4 anymore at all... JP5 is also military...All we use here at GE is JP-5 for military jet engines and JET-A for commercial jet engines

SpeedWerks.com

· #33 · Feb 17, 2005

2FURYUS said:
Brian, you say you used it with no negative effects?

Didn't seem to be a problem. Like I said - 125GP used to be tuned on AV gas in the '80s and early '90s ... and while they're two-strokes, they still have seals and everything else (just no valves). My 400 didn't seem to mind at all, and lived a long life well beyond '99.

Condisering a Cesna engine is still an engine ... I can't see why it would be any different. Of course, I know *nothing* about aircraft, or their motors ... so this may just be ignorance on my part. I don't believe small prop craft that would use AV gas are pressurized or fly high enough that fuel freezing would be a problem? Gasoline tends to have a fairly low freeze point anyway (provided there's no water in it).

- Roach

bulldog

· #34 · Feb 18, 2005

Gas Man said:
It depends on the bike.... check the owners manual! It's a SV650???

Shan, what you run in yours????

its an s model though ( im sure its the same thing though

Gas Man

· #35 · Feb 18, 2005

GsxrJack said:
Ya, the military is getting away from JP4, especially the navy since JP4 has a low flash point and not a great thing on a ship...We here at general electirc do not use JP4 anymore at all... JP5 is also military...All we use here at GE is JP-5 for military jet engines and JET-A for commercial jet engines

Don't forget JP8... I got a delievery of that next week. That's the govt's super strict jet fuel. I haven't seen any JP4 in a long time, but if they do change over to a 5, I'm sure I'll see that eventually!

What alot of people don't understand is that Jet fuel is nothing more than a cleaner kero. As a matter of fact, the Marathon refinery in D-town doesn't manufacture jet and kero....they only make jet and sell it as both jet and kero! All in the same tank and everything! My company delievers every barrel of jet to many international airports in the midwest and the east. Ones such as Detroit Metro and JFK in New York.

Jet is fun stuff, but enough :jacked: of this thread.....

bulldog

· #36 · Feb 18, 2005

shanman what do you run with the SVS

GsxrJack

· #37 · Feb 18, 2005

Gas Man said:
Don't forget JP8... I got a delievery of that next week. That's the govt's super strict jet fuel. I haven't seen any JP4 in a long time, but if they do change over to a 5, I'm sure I'll see that eventually!

What alot of people don't understand is that Jet fuel is nothing more than a cleaner kero. As a matter of fact, the Marathon refinery in D-town doesn't manufacture jet and kero....they only make jet and sell it as both jet and kero! All in the same tank and everything! My company delievers every barrel of jet to many international airports in the midwest and the east. Ones such as Detroit Metro and JFK in New York.

Jet is fun stuff, but enough :jacked: of this thread.....

JP-8 is what the goverment changed to instead of JP-4...planes etc have less of a chance to explode with it in its tanks...JEt-A is pretty much identical to JP-8,

All navy Planes and ship jet engines use JP-5, which has a higher flash point than JP-8 and most of our engines are for navy F18s so thats why we have to use Jp5, but you couldnt tell the difference between the 2 running an engine on both...

we have to have tankers or tank trucks deliver our fuel to us, how many barrels do u deliver to an airport that uses millions of gallons a month....

and as far as that av-gas...it was probably just the guys at the airport that didnt want us stealing their gas for our old muscle cars.... :nono:

Gas Man

· #38 · Feb 18, 2005

Jack, that's good info... and you're right...most of the jet only flashes at 110 or sometimes less. The govt only requires 108 for standard commercial jet! So that is REALLY low for fuels. Considering most of your LSD flashes from 140's to high 170's...

As far as how much...I can't tell you off the top of my head... We are the ONLY providers of jet to those airports that I mentioned. I know there are more but those are both highly known and easy for people to relate!

But what I can tell you is that most of our pipelines in the west run at rates or 2400-4000 BBLS per hour..... which equates to about 101,000 - 168,000 gallons per hour. And thy will run that into an airport tankage for days!! Now on the east coast they run pipelines as big as 24" diameter and rates upwards to 9K BBLS per hour...or about 380,000 gallons per hour!! So the number in gallons for a month is HUGE!!

GsxrJack

· #39 · Feb 18, 2005

Gas Man said:
Jack, that's good info... and you're right...most of the jet only flashes at 110 or sometimes less. The govt only requires 108 for standard commercial jet! So that is REALLY low for fuels. Considering most of your LSD flashes from 140's to high 170's...

As far as how much...I can't tell you off the top of my head... We are the ONLY providers of jet to those airports that I mentioned. I know there are more but those are both highly known and easy for people to relate!

But what I can tell you is that most of our pipelines in the west run at rates or 2400-4000 BBLS per hour..... which equates to about 101,000 - 168,000 gallons per hour. And thy will run that into an airport tankage for days!! Now on the east coast they run pipelines as big as 24" diameter and rates upwards to 9K BBLS per hour...or about 380,000 gallons per hour!! So the number in gallons for a month is HUGE!!

my god, 24" is insane size and amounts, :crazy: ,,we have 6" and 8" pipes from our fuel tanks to the different test cells...we use to have a ship come up the river to load us but now its all done with trucks and its like a constant loading process...up untill last month we ran all engines on JP5 but now we have to use jeta for commercial, pain in the arse switching over all the time for different engines to the area...

i dont really pay to much attention to the fuel that runs our engines ,untill it spills or we have a leak in my area, :here: especially since were right on the ocean/inlet ....we just run the engines on it....but we have to meet specs to run the engines on by the goverment and the Faa..

bulldog

· #40 · Feb 18, 2005

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