[Guideon72]

Hey all, I've been chewing over my last ride home for a few days now as I like to go back over all my rides mentally to review what I did right/wrong/etc and I would like some input from the experienced riders here...

Scene: It's roughly 7pm and POURING rain as I'm coming down my normal road home. Almost exactly where I bring the bike up and exiting a long, left turn there was a patch of asphalt that when dry looks and acts identically to the rest of the road (@ 3ftx4ft rectangle) but when WET it becomes a slip 'n slide apparently. Anyway, as I came around the turn at around 30mph and right as I came up I felt the front tire push out slightly due to the wet surface. My reaction here (and this is what I'm curious on) was to lightly countersteer the push and IMMEDIATELY grab full clutch in order to get power off the rear wheel. My reasoning on that was that if the engine wasn't pushing the rear it would be less likely to skid out. Everything worked out fine but I am wondering if that was really a correct way of handling that situation or if there is a better way I could have done that.

Thanks All

:bluemc:
-G

 

[ScottSellersUNR]

I'd say so, continuing to put power ot hte rear would cause the front to fall father out and risk a slide... justl etting it all grip to regain control will keep yua up.. if your descision was really bad ud have a wreck story not just a scare

 

[Becca_007]

Interesting question. I know when it's dry or in snow you are supposed to keep constant speed through the throttle to regain traction but this is when it applies to karts. I really don't know about bikes.

 

[bumblebee]

Don't second guess...you did exactly what you were supposed to do to avoid the slide, you reacted and your experience pulled you through. I'd say Good Job... :dthumb:

 

[zx636r]

i would have prob dont the same. but i know when im in the rain i refuse to lean the bike over. i will take a turn at 1mph, i hate the rain. too much oil on the roads in pa, the one mountain i have to drive over, when it rains you can see the road have a rainbow tint becasue of some jackarse that keeps driving over it with an oil leak so it sucks in the rain. now in the dry it has some turns that are he!!a cool and real fast.

 

[twisty]

Interesting question. I know when it's dry or in snow you are supposed to keep constant speed through the throttle to regain traction but this is when it applies to karts. I really don't know about bikes.

She is right. You should have kept the gas on smooth and it would would have pulled you out of that slide. Also letting up on the gas would have loaded the force of the weight tranfer on you front wheel which is not the right thing to do. Im going with lucky.

 

[Guideon72]

636- I hear ya there! That was a SCARY ride with too many harder turns, I kept slowing WAY down 'cause I didn't feel comfortable leaning on those turns with that much water on the road.

Twisty- Does disengaging the clutch load the front end the same way that rolling off throttle does?

Thanks All!

:bluemc:
-G

 

[zx636r]

i got an idea, just lock up the rear and slide it out. lol might work?????

yeah i rode in rain once and i hope its the last. it just dont feel right in the rain.

o man story time on this subject, yeah im hijacking this thread. lol i was going over the mountain the other day and there is this part wher eyou come down hill and there is a hump at the bottom where you can get air and then start goin up hill. so i gun it and im gonna try and catch some air at about 80. lol not smart but wow is it fun. anyways on the other side of the hump wher eyou land there is a huge f'ing puddle and about an inch deep. i see it and im just like o **** and slam the throttle open, and hydroplained/splashed right over it. i though i was dead. lol just wanted to share.

 

[twisty]

636- I hear ya there! That was a SCARY ride with too many harder turns, I kept slowing WAY down 'cause I didn't feel comfortable leaning on those turns with that much water on the road.

Twisty- Does disengaging the clutch load the front end the same way that rolling off throttle does?

Thanks All!

:bluemc:
-G

Any release of the gas will cause loading on the front wheel, it just how these things work. You dont have to gas the bike, but just crack the gas open so the bike weight transfer is around 40 on the front and 60 on the back. The back tire is bigger so you can put more load on it.

 

[Douge]

Actually, whenever you cut the throttle or disengage the clutch as you did, you are transfering weight to the front of the bike. :bash:

Everyone should read "twist of the wrist I/II" especially twisty.

 

[zx636r]

ok im confused, twisty did say that thwn you let off the gas that it transfers the wieght to the front of the bike???? now im just lost

 

[jeeps84]

You did right with counter steering. :dthumb:
You always want to point the bike/car in the direction you want to go.
If you were going in a straight line and see slick spot approaching then clutch it and coast through.
In a corner as stated earlier you need to maintain a steady throttle.
No high sides pleas! :wink:

 

[twisty]

Actually, whenever you cut the throttle or disengage the clutch as you did, you are transfering weight to the front of the bike. :bash:

Everyone should read "twist of the wrist I/II" especially twisty.

I think thats what I said DICKY, how about you learn to read before you go post whoring around :loser:

 

[Guideon72]

Thanks all

Bumblebee - Thanks In general I don't like to second guess as you put and sometimes you just have to throw "technical proficiency" out the window and go with what works...I just want to make sure I have a solid idea in my mind of what IS correct behavior/bike movement so that it's available in that "moment". If you know what IS right as well as what your bike is currently doing, you have a better chance of correctly evaluating whether the 'normal' reaction is gonna hurt more than help and adjust your reactions....

At least that's the way my mind works on these matters

:bluemc:
-G

 

[jeeps84]

Sad to say but, you can evaluate it all you want.
The next time it happens you will act so quickly and do what ever experience has taught you. All you can do is hold on.
I have had it happen to me and look back and think what the he!! was I thinking.
We just try to practice proper technique and hopefully it will pull us through when needed.

 

[Gas Man]

For loading the front tire think of it this way...

Get in your car... at a red light... punch the gas! What does the car do? It throws you back plants the rear tires and unloads the front... this is what you want in a rear drive car...

Now about 1k before the redline...come off the gas completely.... What does the car do? It lunges forward... therefore loading the front tires...

This is what Twisty is trying to explain... not only do you not want to load up the front tire but you also don't want to upset the bike!

Whether you did right or wrong... you made it out... and unless you think about this stuff now (off the bike) you'll always do what your expierence tells you to do!

 

[Douge]

I think thats what I said DICKY, how about you learn to read before you go post whoring around :loser:

Umm FU and the bike you rode in on. Sorry Shan, I don't need this kind of crap. I did misread it, I thought Twisty was the poster.

 

[Gas Man]

Not this.... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[zx636r]

aww shiot not this this again. lmfao

 

[twisty]

:nonod:

Umm FU and the bike you rode in on. Sorry Shan, I don't need this kind of crap. I did misread it, I thought Twisty was the poster.

People are so cranky. Your not worth the time it would take to post somthing clever. :yaewn: