Very well said MP. I agree and I know Matt will to but you need to come here to the heart of all HD's built and see how they are and how they think they are better then us. As it was said in another thread about waving from other riders, HD riders see us waving and just look the other way after we do. We will give them the respect first and get nothing in return here. Now it may be different in other areas but here in York,Pa where HD are built and they live HD, we get none. "I get no respect" O well. You can only go on and know you gave them respect.