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Motorcycle not a dangerous weapon: judge
WebPosted Nov 19 2004 10:29 AM AST

SAINT JOHN — Saint John police have been ordered to return a motorcycle seized after a fatal highway crash that killed a father of three.

Bike owner Craig Duguay smiled and gave two thumbs up when the judge ruled that police should return his motorcycle.

Police seized the bike after Duguay's friend, Ryan Ellis, was convicted of dangerous driving causing death.

From May 5, 2004: Stunt rider gets two years for thruway death

On July 10, 2003, Ellis was driving his sport motorcycle on the Saint John thruway, when he clipped another motorcycle from behind.

That rider, 42-year-old Lee Barton, was thrown 70 metres before he hit a guard rail and was killed instantly. Barton was a painter by trade, and father to three children.

Witnesses testified in court that Ellis had been daredevil riding with a friend for a 9-kilometre stretch of city streets and highways.

Police say the accident proves the bike, a souped-up Suzuki GSXR 1000, is too dangerous for public roads.

From May 28, 2004: Bike too dangerous for public roads: police

Judge William McCarroll says the Crown failed to prove that Duguay knew his friend would drive recklessly when he lent him the bike.

Defence Lawyer David Kelly was pleased with the outcome. He says police based their entire case on circumstantial evidence. "He had no knowledge whatsoever in the evidence that came out in court that this horrific accident, that took the life of some poor fellow, would ever take place."

Crown lawyers showed two videotapes in court. One was a police interview with Duguay, who admitted that on one occasion, he had ridden the bike at more than 300 km per/hour on the highway. The other videotape was taken from a website that shows Duguay and other local riders doing stunts on public roads.

Kelly says that kind of behaviour disgusts him, but says police should focus on preventing crashes before they happen. "I think the police should become more proactive with this and if the guys are setting up shop, and driving at 320 kilometres, then set up a sting operation."

Despite what police showed on video, they admit they have never caught Duguay doing any speeding or stunt riding.

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Witnesses testified in court that Ellis had been daredevil riding with a friend for a 9-kilometre stretch of city streets and highways.

Police say the accident proves the bike, a souped-up Suzuki GSXR 1000, is too dangerous for public roads.


who's to say what kinda bike is too dangerous for public roads..hasnt anybody ever heard of holding the RIDER solely responsible...the bike doesnt ride itself!! :cursin: :rant:
 

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"On July 10, 2003, Ellis was driving his sport motorcycle on the Saint John thruway, when he clipped another motorcycle from behind."


Ok why was he so close that he clipped the guy. That right there tells me he was riding irresponsbily. He should be held accountable for it. :mad:
 

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"On July 10, 2003, Ellis was driving his sport motorcycle on the Saint John thruway, when he clipped another motorcycle from behind."


Ok why was he so close that he clipped the guy. That right there tells me he was riding irresponsbily. He should be held accountable for it. :mad:

Nice catch on that one Carrie. :dthumb: And you are right on it as well. :dthumb:
 

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Gas Man said:
Do you guys have that short of memories?

Remember we are dealing with "Bikes built for speed!"
how could we forget, u know all our stereotyped riders are a danger to the human race!! :cursin:
 

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Gas Man said:
Do you guys have that short of memories?

Remember we are dealing with "Bikes built for speed!"

True..but if one guy is stupid and wants to ride this close to someone and not think of the safety first of himself and the other rider, he should be beaten. I always think safety first when riding.
 

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Built for speed or not, if a person is gonna ride a bike like that, they need to ride it responsibly. Take it to the [email protected] track. If he wants to screw around and risk killing himself, fine, do it on an empty road, not where they are other patrons around. Because of his ignorance, 3 children no longer have their Daddy. :(
 

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Witnesses testified in court that Ellis had been daredevil riding with a friend for a 9-kilometre stretch of city streets and highways.

Police say the accident proves the bike, a souped-up Suzuki GSXR 1000, is too dangerous for public roads.


who's to say what kinda bike is too dangerous for public roads..hasnt anybody ever heard of holding the RIDER solely responsible...the bike doesnt ride itself!! :cursin: :rant:
Oh YES YES YES!!! That is exactly the strategy Law enforcement uses today. Instead of identifying individuals, watching them and catching them committing a crime, (because this involves actual work) It is much easier to use a blanket ban of the activity or equipment involved. Do you own a firearm? some out there have decided that since a few individuals commit crimes with guns, we should ban all private ownership of guns, instead of prosecuting criminals. More children under 7 die by drowning in backyard pools than by guns, where is the outcry to ban pools? My Bumblebee, looks like it goes 100 mph while it sits in the garage, just like my AR rifle looks "military" and mean sitting in my safe, so because of this, we should expect to willingly give them up to some sort of ban by people who neither ride nor are sportsmen. My compliments to a judge for making a ruling on sound legal principles instead of outcry and hysteria from some Dist. Attorney who may be looking for a run for legislature or Congress.
 

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just goes to show there are atleast a few good ones left out there that actually based their judgements on the facts and not by political pressure.

hell you can say police cruisers are to "souped up" to be on the streets too. I mean those interceptor engines are beastly! but thats OK, because they've been "properly trained" to handle this equipment. WTF ever!! why do you think we have organizations like MSF, and the like. so we can learn to ride responsibly from the get go...but yeah, go ahead an penalize me for having a fast bike, fast car, a gun....Im used to it by now!! :puke:
 

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Police interceptors

Just for referecne from someone in law enforcemnet, Crown vics police use are dead stock. The engine in em is ok for about 125-145 mph...depending on where they are driven, but the suspension is what makes em a peice of crap, they are nothing more then a freeway granny car. When it comes time to turn, I'd rather have a Civic for a in town persuit.
 

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ScottSellersUNR said:
Just for referecne from someone in law enforcemnet, Crown vics police use are dead stock. The engine in em is ok for about 125-145 mph...depending on where they are driven, but the suspension is what makes em a peice of crap, they are nothing more then a freeway granny car. When it comes time to turn, I'd rather have a Civic for a in town persuit.

really? thats interesting... a couple local coppers round here talk about their cruisers as being beasts, hhhmm..weird. unless they've done their own mods to them. ;)

maybe another reason why there are more and more unmarked cruisers these days.. intrepids, stangs, etc.
 

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really? thats interesting... a couple local coppers round here talk about their cruisers as being beasts, hhhmm..weird. unless they've done their own mods to them. ;)

maybe another reason why there are more and more unmarked cruisers these days.. intrepids, stangs, etc.

I thought our locals don't use the crown vics(they used to)but use the Chevy Caprice and the Impala?? I may be wrong but I thought thats what they use.
 

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ScottSellersUNR said:
Just for referecne from someone in law enforcemnet, Crown vics police use are dead stock. The engine in em is ok for about 125-145 mph...depending on where they are driven, but the suspension is what makes em a peice of crap, they are nothing more then a freeway granny car. When it comes time to turn, I'd rather have a Civic for a in town persuit.
I'm sorry but this completely wrong. My father in law is a liscensed police, fire truck, ambulance mechanic.

First off, they have different intakes, throttle body and mass air flow sensor. They also have a dual exhaust setup. I believe they also have different hoods and trunk lids!

They are governed at 135 and the Tahoe/SUV's are govt at 95! This info is also backed up by my 2 uncles in PD..one being a sergant!

Besides, it's not the car you should fear...it's the radio/police CB!
 
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