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Since we are all talking abou the debate. What did you all think of the one the other night with Bush and Kerry? I watched it and liked it. I am a Republican by nature. However, I am all for Kerry this term.

Anyways, what did you think of it? I thought both parties did an excellent job but Kerry won it this time. 2 more debates to go and it is all still up in the air for both of them. Either one could win this.
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The debates are interesting b/c nobody is saying anything that the informed don't already know. So, they're speaking to people that don't know what's going on. . coincidentally, those are the same people that aren't watching.

I voted for Clinton in 96 and Gore in 2000. I'm voting Bush this time.
dubbs said:
Why vote for bush? So he can start another war for totally wrong reasons like WMD's
Wrong reasons. Let me think. . oh, you mean the part about Saddam giving the UN the finger for 12 years? Kerry wanted to give him a 1,613th time to negotiate with the UN.

What about financially supporting Palestinian terrorists? What about Hammas?

The families of the 200,000 Kurds Saddam gassed would probably beg to differ about whether Saddam has WMDs or not.

Kerry said the evidence from the CIA, M6, and Vladimir Putin was valid. Kerry said Iraq posed an immediate threat.

In 2002 Gore slammed GHW Bush for not continuing into Baghdad b/c Iraq was clearly a terrorist state.

But hey, we gave him 12 years to hide things in Gaza, Syria, or where ever he wants. He kicked out the UN inspectors out and then we gave him warning after warning.

Get informed before spouting arbitrary partisan bs. I should be shot for voting Gore in 2000, but that was my vote of spite against the religous right since they're as full of it as the left.

Sorry Shan, you knew it wouldn't take long for Saint and I to lose it. . :lol:

dubbs, Welcome to the site. :cheers:
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jetskifast said:
Bush's debate skills show his past drug and booze problems :wink:
Just today we got news from Bush appointee Iraq had no WMD, all WMD in Iraq destroyed by weapon inspectors in 1991 :smash:
Bush may be brought up on war crimes in the future :dthumb: Lots of innocent Iraqi children and people killed in Iraq under the name of Mr. Bush :mad: www.iraqbodycount.net
Okay Big Ted. lmao

The US weapons inspector said they did not pursue *another* WMD program. Saddam admitted to his CIA interrogators that he misled us b/c he essentially wanted Iran to think he had them.

Yeah, I'm sure Putin, the entire CIA, M6, Tony Blair, and George Bush will be brought up on war crimes.

Unbelievable. . it really doesn't matter. Bush is ahead in the polls, no incumbant with the lead after Labor day has EVER lost. It will be a pleasure watching the clueless cry while they pay another $8 to see Michael Moore's next debacle.

What :here:
"Lots of innocent Iraqi children and people killed in Iraq under the name of Mr. Bush www.iraqbodycount.net "

I'm curious, Ted. Were you bent out of shape when you found that Saddam was paying $25,000 to the families of suicide bombers in Palestine? You know, the bombers that enjoy killing Israeli kids while they're eating a Sbarro.

Did you pass a collection plate around in mourning for the casualties in Sarievo?

How far exactly do you live from Haight and Ashbury? :lol:
But hey, we should put more trust into the UN. lol

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - The Central Intelligence Agency has published hundreds of names of people, firms, political parties and government officials Saddam Hussein purportedly tried to buy off to get U.N. sanctions lifted.

At the same time, Saddam and his government managed to amass some $11 billion through shadowy deals to circumvent the sanctions, first imposed in 1990 and lifted after the U.S.-led invasion a year ago, said the report, released on Wednesday.

The report was part of a 1,200-page survey for the CIA by Charles Duelfer, a former U.N. weapons inspector, who concluded Iraq had no stockpiles of biological and chemical weapons or a nuclear arms program before the U.S. invasion last year.

It was published on the CIA's Website: www.cia.gov.

The former government's scheme included making deals with firms in Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates and Yemen to acquire prohibited items, the report said.

The published lists show how much oil individuals, political parties or firms from more than 40 countries purportedly were allocated and the names of the companies contract to lift oil on their behalf.

The list cited names from France, Russia and China, all permanent members of the U.N. Security Council, which supervised the program.

Accusations again emerged against Benon Sevan, head of the now-defunct U.N. oil-for-food humanitarian program that handled $67 billion. He is listed as a U.N. official, called Mr. Sifan, and has vigorously denied the allegations.

The United Nations has said it had turned over all documents to an investigatory commission headed by Paul Volcker, the former U.S. Federal Reserve chairman.

13 SECRET FILES

Others on the lengthy list include Russian ultranationalist Vladimir Zhirinovsky and his Russian Liberal Democrat Party, Charles Pasqua, a former French interior minister, Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri, the son of Lebanese President Emile Lahoud and the Peoples Liberation Front of Palestine.

The lists, parts of which had been published previously, were compiled from 13 secret files maintained by former Iraqi vice-president Taha Yassin Ramadan and the former oil minister, Amir Rashid.

But there was no independent verification. "We name those individuals and entities here in the interest of candor, clarity and thoroughness," the report said, adding that it did not "investigate or judge those non-Iraqi individuals."

Several U.S. firms were on the list but their names were not released because of privacy laws.

Iraq was under a sweeping U.N. trade embargo beginning August 1990 after it invaded Kuwait. The sanctions were lifted after the U.S. invasion.

At the end of 1996, the United Nations and Iraq began the oil-for-food program that allowed Baghdad to buy civilian goods and sell oil to pay for them under U.N. monitoring. But since 1990, Iraq, openly shipped oil by truck to Jordan and Turkey, with the United States and others turning a blind eye.

The report said oil deals with various governments generated over $7.5 billion for Saddam from the early 1990s until the start of the 2003 war.

Iraq earned an additional $3 billion from kickbacks or surcharges on oil, smuggling and other schemes, the report said.

Oil companies were forced to pay surcharges, which by late 2000 amounted to 25 to 50 cents per barrel, industry sources said at the time. Britain and the United States eventually stopped the practice by insisting U.N. oil prices be set retroactively to cut the surcharge.

U.S. oil companies purchased Iraqi crude from middlemen rather from Baghdad. But by early 2003, the United States was consuming 67 percent of Iraqi crude, by far the largest buyer.
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I'm for less government, but you should have to have a license to:

A. Have kids
B. Vote
jetskifast said:
Do you remember original reason Bush gave for going into Iraq?
All have been proven false. No WMD, no terrorist threat from Iraq.
More than a few Americans start to get bent out of shape when 1000+ Americans start coming home in body bags, thanks to Mr. Bush's lies to American people :sob:
America has no business being worlds police force in Middle East. Israel can take care of themself or sink. With all the $billions American tax payers give Israel, now Israel is getting American lives in the form of dead military personal :sob:
Maybe you should open your eyes, start seeing real truth :smash: Not Bush's brain washed fuzzy dream world.
I'd hate to confuse your stance with the facts, but Kerry voted to go into Iraq as well. When M6, CIA, and Putin of all people confirm the evidence, we act on it.

No terrorist threat from Iraq although Saddam was financially supporting terrorists? Ok.

1,000 troops is a drop in the bucket compared to past wars. It is sad, but be thankful for the men and women with the courage to go now, and not later.

The truth is negotiations failed. If our enemies don't have the FEAR that we will act on our words, we'll never have our ability to negotiate. Terrorists bombed the Cole, the embassy, the Trade Center, etc, and all through the 90s we essentially said, "That's okay," and fired a cruise missile in. I bet that really scared them. lol

In contrast, Quadafi shot our planes in 1986 and Reagan didn't hesitate to BOMB HIS HOUSE. Libya is now an ally in fighting terrorism. Imagine that.

I wish the world was a better place and I wish everyone could get along. Wish in one hand and s*** in the other, see which fills up first.

btw- Nice job spinning and completely avoiding my questions about Saddam paying off terrorists and about Sarievo.

Lastly, I voted Clinton in 96 and Gore in 2000. It's safe to say I'm not some party line homer.
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The Saint said:
That was beautiful...though Ted probably cried a few tears over Quadafi's kid being killed... :( :lol:
No doubt. . I left out the part where Reagan said Quadafi was, and I quote, "a dirty dog." :rofl:

I remember my stepsister flipping out. . "Oh my God, there's gonna be a war!!" :willy:

Whatever. . it's sad, but funny, that Southpark makes the most sense out of everything. We need the bleeding heart liberals so we can continue to bomb the **** out of people while looking remorseful. So for that, I thank the tree huggers. lmao

What :here:
double2000r6 said:
Don't worry help is on the way!
lmao "We're on the way. . but first, let us make sure Jacques Chirac is okay with it." :screwy:
I wouldn't waste a squirt of piss if Kerry was on fire. I think he's a traitor for what he did when he came back from Viet Nam, and I think he's a piece of ****.
ShanMan14 said:
Please feel free to express yourself, don't feel as though you need to hold back. :D
:lol: You've known me online long enough to know it's a hell of a thing if I support Bush. lol
jetskifast said:
Turned TV on during last debate. Saw Bush stumbling, making weird faces, repeating same phrases, thought I had Saturday night live rerun on by mistake ;)
Really is amazing this bubble head is President of America :sorry:
Good job at dodging the questions again. You're getting good at this.
double2000r6 said:
Yes, Pig would have to approve being he is the new Secretary of Defense.
Hey Pig first order of business is to bomb people as a show of might - I was thinking Northern Canada, Cuba, France, Germany, Russia, South Africa, Switzerland and Mexico. That should get some people's attention. That will be my start to a new "foreign relations" program... lol..
Hmmmm. . I think we can leave Mexico alone, they're cool and mind their own business.

Where does UC Berkley fit into the scenario? :here:
Big Ted/Eric/Jetskifast, etc. . good job again. Ignore any questions we've had and resort back to name calling.
If Nader got in you could kiss motorsports goodbye.

I miss Perot. . "Now here's the deal, see. . " :(
If you're not going to bother to read the posts when responding to people, I'm not going to bother going back through it to repost a question.

Shan. . we know you and Ted are the same people. :willy: :D
I watched the debate last week, the VP debate, and the first pres debate. Nobody's saying anything new. .I'm skipping tonight and watching Pedro choke to his Daddies. That, or I'm going to see Friday Night Lights. :D
Need4Speed750 said:
I think I heard Kerry say " I have a plan" atleast 10 times, in the first 10 minutes of this debate!! :flush:
He has a plan for everything, just no way to pay for it. :lol:
Excuse the caps, but it's the easiest way to differentiate. .

jetskifast said:
Bush plan has worked well last 4 years :lol:
National debt at record levels.

HE INHERITED A RECESSION. 1MM JOBS WERE LOST IN THE FIRST TWO WEEKS AFTER 9-11.

American jobs being sent out of country at record levels.
I'M SURE NAFTA HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.

Only President to have NEG job growth.
ONLY PRESIDENT TO BE IN OFFICE WHEN THE LARGEST FINANCIAL CENTER IN THE WORLD WAS LEVELED.

40 million Americans without health insurance.
I HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE.

Bush invading Iraq to please his dad.
YEAH. 12 YEARS OF GIVING THE FINGER TO THE UN HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

Most all other countries hate America, because of Bush's actions.
DO THEY? WHO, FRANCE? ****'EM. IF YOU WANT TO LET OTHER COUNTRIES DICTATE YOUR OWN, THEN YOU'RE IN THE WRONG ONE.

Bush has been bought and paid for, by big business.
I THINK YOU MEAN KERRY.

Just look at those big oil company profits.
WAIT, I THOUGHT BUSH WENT INTO IRAQ BECAUSE OF HIS DAD?

Another four years of Bush, should put America in a depression :upset:
WE DON'T REALLY CARE IF LIBERALS ARE DEPRESSED, YOU'LL GET OVER IT.

Bush has run America into the ground :sob: The blind better wake up before it is to late :dthumb:
*TOO* LATE. IT'S TOO BAD BUSH'S EDUCATION BILL FOR "NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND" WASN'T IN PLACE WHEN YOU WERE IN SCHOOL, HUH?
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