Presidential Debates

Hey, maybe he was just over there cleanin up the place. Or finishing the job his old man started. But either way after 9-11 he said he would hunt every terrorist a-hole and their supporters down! And he's doin just that. So get it done.

Body count, don't even want to talk that crap! It is a said thing in war. But war is just that. I do wish we'd get out of there but we need to finish what we started. That is important! And it's not like the Girly Man Kerry can just pull them out anyway. That is the #1 problem with that guy. He talks out his arse. he don't know shiet! He can't just do this and that! He can't do anything unless he can get it passed. His promises about making the country better are nearly empty! He is just attacking Bush for anything he can and telling all the morons in the world exactly what they want to hear.

O, and good point MP on the NAFTA/jobs thing! The jobs have been down. YES! Is that his fault! NO!! Is he trying to tell us everything is good! YES!! WHY? because the american people are dumb! If everybody would just spend like normal it would all fall back into place. It is brain teasing! Besides, optimism is always better!

Do I luv Bush? Hell, no! I can't believe out of all the people in this country that these two are the best we can come up with!! WTF!!! But I think the Terminator said it best. Don't vote for the Girly Man!!

jetskifast said:

Bush's debate skills show his past drug and booze problems :wink:

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C'mon, Ted...you can do better than that. Go have some sushi and STFU... :lol:

Just today we got news from Bush appointee Iraq had no WMD, all WMD in Iraq destroyed by weapon inspectors in 1991 :smash:

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The article also says that Saddam’s government was looking to begin a WMD program again, and doesn't discount the possibility that the weapons were moved out of the country.

It's simple, really. Saddam was in violation of UN sanctions for 12 years, and no one did anything about it. Certainly not the previous administration. And if he didn't have any weapons, then why not let the inspectors do their jobs? What was he hiding?

The President is sending a message...terrorists and their acts are not going to go unpunished. And he's backing up his words with action. When Kerry and Edwards say that they will find terrorists and kill them, it just doesn't sound as convincing. And anyone who thinks that terrorists are just going to let us live peacefully is either naive, or they've forgotten 9/11 already.

Bush may be brought up on war crimes in the future :dthumb:

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You are delusional. :lol:

Lots of innocent Iraqi children and people killed in Iraq under the name of Mr. Bush www.iraqbodycount.net

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Two questions, Ted: Are you ever as outraged when innocent Americans are killed? And do you really think the world is better off with Saddam in power?

There are a few things about the war that I don't agree with, but I support our President, and the efforts of our troops. Unlike the Democrats, who were for the war when it was popular, but speaking out against it now. Can't have it both ways.

But hey, we should put more trust into the UN. lol

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - The Central Intelligence Agency has published hundreds of names of people, firms, political parties and government officials Saddam Hussein purportedly tried to buy off to get U.N. sanctions lifted.

At the same time, Saddam and his government managed to amass some $11 billion through shadowy deals to circumvent the sanctions, first imposed in 1990 and lifted after the U.S.-led invasion a year ago, said the report, released on Wednesday.

The report was part of a 1,200-page survey for the CIA by Charles Duelfer, a former U.N. weapons inspector, who concluded Iraq had no stockpiles of biological and chemical weapons or a nuclear arms program before the U.S. invasion last year.

It was published on the CIA's Website: www.cia.gov.

The former government's scheme included making deals with firms in Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates and Yemen to acquire prohibited items, the report said.

The published lists show how much oil individuals, political parties or firms from more than 40 countries purportedly were allocated and the names of the companies contract to lift oil on their behalf.

The list cited names from France, Russia and China, all permanent members of the U.N. Security Council, which supervised the program.

Accusations again emerged against Benon Sevan, head of the now-defunct U.N. oil-for-food humanitarian program that handled $67 billion. He is listed as a U.N. official, called Mr. Sifan, and has vigorously denied the allegations.

The United Nations has said it had turned over all documents to an investigatory commission headed by Paul Volcker, the former U.S. Federal Reserve chairman.

13 SECRET FILES

Others on the lengthy list include Russian ultranationalist Vladimir Zhirinovsky and his Russian Liberal Democrat Party, Charles Pasqua, a former French interior minister, Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri, the son of Lebanese President Emile Lahoud and the Peoples Liberation Front of Palestine.

The lists, parts of which had been published previously, were compiled from 13 secret files maintained by former Iraqi vice-president Taha Yassin Ramadan and the former oil minister, Amir Rashid.

But there was no independent verification. "We name those individuals and entities here in the interest of candor, clarity and thoroughness," the report said, adding that it did not "investigate or judge those non-Iraqi individuals."

Several U.S. firms were on the list but their names were not released because of privacy laws.

Iraq was under a sweeping U.N. trade embargo beginning August 1990 after it invaded Kuwait. The sanctions were lifted after the U.S. invasion.

At the end of 1996, the United Nations and Iraq began the oil-for-food program that allowed Baghdad to buy civilian goods and sell oil to pay for them under U.N. monitoring. But since 1990, Iraq, openly shipped oil by truck to Jordan and Turkey, with the United States and others turning a blind eye.

The report said oil deals with various governments generated over $7.5 billion for Saddam from the early 1990s until the start of the 2003 war.

Iraq earned an additional $3 billion from kickbacks or surcharges on oil, smuggling and other schemes, the report said.

Oil companies were forced to pay surcharges, which by late 2000 amounted to 25 to 50 cents per barrel, industry sources said at the time. Britain and the United States eventually stopped the practice by insisting U.N. oil prices be set retroactively to cut the surcharge.

U.S. oil companies purchased Iraqi crude from middlemen rather from Baghdad. But by early 2003, the United States was consuming 67 percent of Iraqi crude, by far the largest buyer.

jetskifast said:

Do you remember original reason Bush gave for going into Iraq?
All have been proven false. No WMD, no terrorist threat from Iraq.
More than a few Americans start to get bent out of shape when 1000+ Americans start coming home in body bags, thanks to Mr. Bush's lies to American people :sob:
America has no business being worlds police force in Middle East. Israel can take care of themself or sink. With all the $billions American tax payers give Israel, now Israel is getting American lives in the form of dead military personal :sob:
Maybe you should open your eyes, start seeing real truth :smash: Not Bush's brain washed fuzzy dream world.

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I think we all know why we are in the middle east - it is no secret and nobody, including Bush and his "alleged" lies, is fooling anyone. Everything you say is emotional and democratic filled unfounded propaganda that doesn't add up to spit. So let me ask you this - In the 8 years that Clinton was president how many military bases were shut down? Quite a few my friend - let's say 15% just to guess low. How much money was spent on counter-terrorism? What did Clinton do about the threats to our country's security? You have to open your eyes and see that Clinton's 8 years in office did a whole lot of damage - you don't spend 8 years in there and then when Bush takes over *poof* it changes - laws and policies that took effect are still in effect today - the repercussions are not always readily apparent - they may take 6 months, 2 years, 5 years or 10 years. Thanks to Clinton's Anti-Military approach we were attacked on 9-11. Thanks to Clinton talking **** about "hunting those responsible" and then not backing it up we were attacked. Since Bush went to war in Afghanistan and Iraq how many terrorist attacks have happened in our country? Try ZERO. Yes part of the reason / excuse was WMD but also a part was because they, and let me repeat what Bush said and backed up - no country that is aiding or harboring terrorists will be left alone we will go after them, were supporting terrorism, their leader was butchering his own people and the UN didn't have the balls to do anything about it. So the CIA says their are WMD and relays that to the President so he reacts. The info may have been wrong. But you have to remember he was not acting on his own accord he was acting based upon military intelligence and information given to him by our government - Democrats and Republicans alike. So before you start throwing that whole 1,000 person figure out there or the whole WMD thing think about who is truly to blame for that. Ok and then even better would you rather have 1,000 dead soldiers dying doing their job protecting our freedom or would you rather have millions of dead american citizens on our own soil because we took the Democratic Clinton / John Kerry waffling stance and said things that we never intended to follow throw and terrorists attacked us in our weakened closing down bases democratic fat dumb happy oblvious state?

You are the one living in a dream world. One of their sheep that buys into their bullsh!t. Open your mind, get all the facts and think a little for yourself. Quit believing what you see on tv and the bs propaganda that they so readily spoon feed you.

Yes that will definately be my new Presidential Seal but in Team Yamaha Blue!

jetskifast said:

Do you remember original reason Bush gave for going into Iraq?
All have been proven false. No WMD, no terrorist threat from Iraq.
More than a few Americans start to get bent out of shape when 1000+ Americans start coming home in body bags, thanks to Mr. Bush's lies to American people :sob:
America has no business being worlds police force in Middle East. Israel can take care of themself or sink. With all the $billions American tax payers give Israel, now Israel is getting American lives in the form of dead military personal :sob:
Maybe you should open your eyes, start seeing real truth :smash: Not Bush's brain washed fuzzy dream world.

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I'd hate to confuse your stance with the facts, but Kerry voted to go into Iraq as well. When M6, CIA, and Putin of all people confirm the evidence, we act on it.

No terrorist threat from Iraq although Saddam was financially supporting terrorists? Ok.

1,000 troops is a drop in the bucket compared to past wars. It is sad, but be thankful for the men and women with the courage to go now, and not later.

The truth is negotiations failed. If our enemies don't have the FEAR that we will act on our words, we'll never have our ability to negotiate. Terrorists bombed the Cole, the embassy, the Trade Center, etc, and all through the 90s we essentially said, "That's okay," and fired a cruise missile in. I bet that really scared them. lol

In contrast, Quadafi shot our planes in 1986 and Reagan didn't hesitate to BOMB HIS HOUSE. Libya is now an ally in fighting terrorism. Imagine that.

I wish the world was a better place and I wish everyone could get along. Wish in one hand and s*** in the other, see which fills up first.

btw- Nice job spinning and completely avoiding my questions about Saddam paying off terrorists and about Sarievo.

Lastly, I voted Clinton in 96 and Gore in 2000. It's safe to say I'm not some party line homer.