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That horrifying "clicking" noise

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I have just noticed that when my bike has a cold start (either when it sits for a day or two, or when I start her at night), that if I give it a few revs, I hear a very faint cicking that is syncronized with the engine RPM (hope that makes sense). This occurs in the 3,000-6,000 RPM range (thats at least when I hear it). After the bike is all warmed up to about 150+ degrees, I rev it up and the clicking noise seems to go away. I rode it a few days ago with a 48 hour "rest" in between rides, and noticed it then. Also noticed it tonight when it was sitting at the little ladies house all night after I rode it today. I had to actually use the choke for the first time, or the bike would crap out. Every stop sign on the way home I gave it a rev or two to see if it made the noise. Realisticly, I dont think it was. But by then my mind started playing tricks on me. When I got home and rode in the complex parking lot, I cruised in at 3-6k RPM range and heard nothing. I have never before heard this noise, until I have had a few true cold starts. Is this something I should be worried about? :help:
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Gas Man said:
I think Twisty is right on... if it was valves you would think you would hear it all the time at all RPM's...so onward to CCT... :rant: :nonod:
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I was sure it wasnt the valves just because its in that range of RPMs and only when its cold start. So basically I should just make a note of this and when I take it in for a tune up (or something similar) let them know that its doing this?

Oh and BTW Thanks for spelling out the CCT acronym. I would've had to look that one up. :D
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bumblebee said:
I think I did better...I trashed them on my Service Survey from Honda and to the district rep who called after I trashed them on the survey...I haven't returned any of the calls left by the dealer yet... :lol: You should have heard the silence on the other end when I told the Dist. Rep that the dealer also installed my front tire backwards... :yikes: I mean, it's not like there ISN'T AN ARROW ON THE TIRE TO SHOW HOW TO MOUNT IT!!!
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so is it something I should take to the mechanic, or is it something to think of down the line? (the CCT that is)

BTW nice to see youre still around Bee :dthumb:
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APE CCT Ninja

Twisty,

Is this the same brand you installed on your bike? If so, you like it?
Found it on EBAY BIN for $52.00 I found the guide to install it on my bike. The shop quoted me over $140 plus labor just today on it. Looks like I can do it for $55 with shipping and an hour or so of some TLC and elbow grease.
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jeeps84 said:
Is it on the front of your motor?
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sorta its on the right front side of the motor (behind the frame). It requires me to remove the gas tank.

here is one of the pics straight from the guys guide...
CCT Location 2001 zx6r
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jeeps84 said:
Looks like the carbs have to come off as well. You better put aside at least 1/2 a day to be safe. :2cents:
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I have seen that piece on my bike when I removed the gas tank, without removing the carbs. It looks easy to get to. The manual covers readjusting the valve timing and resetting CCT, as well as checking other variants in there. Thats why his bike looks like that. I dont think carb removal will be necessary (at least I hope not), as it looke like the CCT is right in front of the carbs and air box. This is definitely a weekend project though.

The CCT is right below the yellow circle
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jeeps84 said:
Its not a tough job. Just don't expect it to be quick.
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:iagree: If I were to do it myself, I would be VERY VERY careful and meticulous. Weekend project for sure.

Im not even sure If I want to install it myself. I dont know how much or not much tension a cam chain needs etc, etc.
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jeeps84 said:
That info should be in your manual.
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whats a manual? :lol:

Didnt get one with the bike.....I should order a Haynes manual soon. I can always look up the specs for the bike on the web. but this is free, and will work for now.
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:cursin:

just finished a ride. Not the best ride ever. I was slowly cruising in 1st gear and noticed when it got to a certain RPM, the front part of the bike would rattle like crazy, it made my legs numb for a second. I was at a red light. Once it turned green I monitored my RPM and at 7-9k, it started that rattling again, bad. Anything below that RPM is fine and dandy. I think the CCT is gone bad real fast. I probably should expedite my CCT issue and buy a new one quick. The hydraulic CCT is about $100. The manual one is about half that. Looks like the bike will be garaged for a while until I get this fixed :yesnod:
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No Worries said:
Now that sounds more like an ignition problem, like a bad coil, plug or plug wire. When the CCT goes bad or the chain stretches, the cam timing is retarded. Runs great at high rpm, but not at idle and low rpm. Could also be a loose or broken motor mount. I think it needs some more testing. And some muffins would be nice too.
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what are some other symptoms when you say the cam timing is retarded? I noticed today that when I gave the throttle a squeeze it was slightly delayed (this is from I would say 15-30MPH range). I figure the vibration would progress and not start all at once if it was a motor mount, but I will also check that too. As far as ignition goes, what are other symptoms? I might have over exaggerated when I was describing the vibration, but it was quite noticable. Legs were tingly. Oh and I was given a bunch of those connectable bins so I use those instead of the muffin pan :D
maybe I have a whole slew of problems...GREAT!!! :cursin:
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jeeps84 said:
I would fix the CCT first. Give every thing a good looking over while doing the job.
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Yea but now I am all nervous/ticked off that it might be more problems...oh well. I will do another analysis when I ride home tonight. Then I will prop her up on the stand and order my CCT.
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No Worries said:
When my CBR had no high-end power, I thought it was the carbs. After cleaning everything in the float chamber and vacuum chamber, the bike ran the same. I pulled a spark plug and had a good spark. I pulled each spark plug and the color was perfect.

I hooked up my old timing light to #1 cylinder and aimed it at the timing mark. It was on the top dead center mark, but it should have been on the "F" mark. I reved the engine and the mark didn't move. Needed a new pulse generator. After $50 and one week wait for the part, it worked perfect.

So nowadays, I check the ignition first, then the carbs. The Honda shop manual has all the resistance values for checking everything in the ignition system. Just need a digital voltmeter ($20 from Sears). BTW, it looks pretty simple to replace your CCT. Mine is in the engine, under the exhaust cam.
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I plan to replace that first. I will run some tests and see if any other problems continue. If the other problems proceed, I will bring it into a shop and get taken for all my money again :bash: For all I know it could be a loose fairing or something causing the other stuff.
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jeeps84 said:
:luck: It can be a PITA sometimes to diagnose a problem.
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thanks, it looks like I might need some luck. I will give you guys an update if I notice anything different on the ride home tonight,.
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jeeps84 said:
:tt:
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man you guys are impaitent!!! :lol:


Okay so I just got home. The vibrating I was talking about at 9k, not as bad as I thought originally, and the legs get tingly but barely. My mind must have been more concentrated on the road, and that just startled me. This only occurs at 9k. You go over, its stops. I guess its that certain RPM that sets off something. Usually the bike vibrates a little when you get around that RPM range a little, (is that normal?) So I really dont know whats up with that.

okay now on to CCT. I heard the noise pretty much the first half of the ride home at low rpm. Still very faint, but noticable. I also heard it a little while in the driveway. There should be no doubt in my mind its the CCT now, according your guys' help and info. Bike bandit.com has the oem part for like $85. Ebay has nothing new except the manual ones.
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Gas Man said:
Yeah Snade...but I think you can tell by everybody here's expierence... you don't want the crap OE stuff... get the manual ones... better for the longer life of the bike...
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I would have no problem buying the manual one and installing it. Its the setup part that scares me. What If i put too much or to little tension on the chain? etc etc.
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Just purchased the APE manual CCT. Talked to seller and he says it comes with install and setup instructions so I shouldnt have a problem. Now I am all anxious to see if it comes by friday!!!


:D :D :D
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No Worries said:
Here's a link showing how it's done on a CBR http://forums.cbrworld.net/forums/85183/ShowPost.aspx. Looks very similar to your Kawi. The last picture shows how to adjust the manual CCT.
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awesome!!! Thanks a bunch :dthumb: . sounds easy enough. Saved it as a .doc file so I can print it out. I will let you know how it goes once its on (hopefully I get it by Friday)
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Gas Man said:
:yikes: Snad.... by next week the Kaw is going to be feeling good!

New pipe and new CCT!!

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And NW...great link!!
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:iagree: its giong to be a whole new chapter for the bike...I am all exited!!!
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Now Im pissed because I have to wait after thanksgiving to get the APE CCT. My shipping orders got "re-scheduled" from the 23rd to the 28th. So my question is, am I still able to ride it, or should I just wait?
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jeeps84 said:
:iagree: If you know there is a problem, why take a chance of making it worse?
Other wise enjoy and don't torture it till you get'er fixed.
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because its sooooooo tempting! :D

Its been 3 days...Im getting a new can etc, etc....



My self control is good though. I wont ride it unless I deem it fixed.
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