I do not yet know too much about tuning bikes yet but i have a lot of experience tuning cars, and my question is which bike is the best to mod. Heres what im looking to accomplish, I want 200hp. on a late 90's liter bike. If at all possible I would like to know about any kind of turbo upgrade kits out there, while keeping the hayabusa out of the topic. Im not interested in a busa because of the feel of the bike. feels too much like a cruiser in my opinion, so any turbo kits for the cbr's or gsxr's something like that. One last question, I heard a rumor of a turbo kit for the 04 ninjas over seas, any truth to this? thanks for any help.
turbo?, looking for 200hp
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I spent around 9000 turboing my car,(not including the car). Would my price be the same? Ive always thought it would be a lot cheaper but you cant be cheap doing something like this. I personally would like to do this project on a 954, but i have seen close to 200hp on a few gsxr1000's. I "could" just buy a turbo and fabricate the header into it but i dont know where to get a turbo small enough, and would rather get a turbo kit to eliminate a lot of questions im about to face doing it the hard'er way.
Well is you spend 4K, APE makes a kit for the Gixxer 1000's to get 195 Hp out of them with no turbo on pump gas. Also they make any engine kit with a turbo that will throw 350 hp. Im buying a few thing for my gixxers from there but I have to stay in the "race legal" area.
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http://www.velocityracing.com - enter and click on "turbo systems". Gixxer 1000 and ZX-12 (plus Busa of course).
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VelocityRacing will def give ya a GREAT system..
and as far as turbo size.. bikes spin such high RPMs youd be amazed at the size turbos they use.. youll find most run AT LEAST a 14G turbo on a 600.. literbikes are running over 16G most of em ported 20G if they are making over 400HP.
And id LOVE to turbo my bike Gas... nakid with the turbo just hanging out... but that would cost more htne building my motor and Gassing it at the same time.....
The 5K or so it would take to do the turbo to make ~180 isnt worth it.. 5K and i can build then spray my bike up to 240HP.
if i turbod it id want the internals stripped out and forged I beam rods.
Keep in mind to turbo it id need a very $$$ computer to run it all.. with nos i cna just use a timing retarder and a PC3 for over a 40 shot at least. prob have to spend alot to spray a 80 shot.. and then id send relaiblility to hell so i prob wont ever use over a 30shot actually.
But hell gimme hte money to Turbo my nakid and build the motor and id be dman happy.. shoot while im add it gimme a Ti frame all CF body... if i win the loto ill do all the above plus replace every screw with Ti and do wave rotors nad Ti brake hoses..lol hell i could spend over 100K on my bike... even my handle bars would be either CF or Ti.
I make less take home $ per month then most you guys pay for your morgages... my take home is just over 1500$ and ive got the CC, rent, bike payemnts,.. insurance on a 1000cc sportbike at 21, cell phone and truck payments all to make... two bikes and a truck cost enough to maintain and use..
so for me to spring for NOS is a big economic investment... but hey for 500$ im not gonna get more fun for someone addicted to speed..so that may be all i cna do and thats a maybe right now due my C()NT of a manger from the aparmtnets i just moved from.. shes tyring to charge me a extra 125$ for a stain on the carpet... carpet that was replaced... and even if i hadnt got a dog pee stian on it was so worn out chunks came out on vacumming.... i feel so ripped.
if anyone wants to donate a NX nitrous(or any other brand) kit htough lemme know
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and as far as turbo size.. bikes spin such high RPMs youd be amazed at the size turbos they use.. youll find most run AT LEAST a 14G turbo on a 600.. literbikes are running over 16G most of em ported 20G if they are making over 400HP.
And id LOVE to turbo my bike Gas... nakid with the turbo just hanging out... but that would cost more htne building my motor and Gassing it at the same time.....
The 5K or so it would take to do the turbo to make ~180 isnt worth it.. 5K and i can build then spray my bike up to 240HP.
if i turbod it id want the internals stripped out and forged I beam rods.
Keep in mind to turbo it id need a very $$$ computer to run it all.. with nos i cna just use a timing retarder and a PC3 for over a 40 shot at least. prob have to spend alot to spray a 80 shot.. and then id send relaiblility to hell so i prob wont ever use over a 30shot actually.
But hell gimme hte money to Turbo my nakid and build the motor and id be dman happy.. shoot while im add it gimme a Ti frame all CF body... if i win the loto ill do all the above plus replace every screw with Ti and do wave rotors nad Ti brake hoses..lol hell i could spend over 100K on my bike... even my handle bars would be either CF or Ti.
I make less take home $ per month then most you guys pay for your morgages... my take home is just over 1500$ and ive got the CC, rent, bike payemnts,.. insurance on a 1000cc sportbike at 21, cell phone and truck payments all to make... two bikes and a truck cost enough to maintain and use..
so for me to spring for NOS is a big economic investment... but hey for 500$ im not gonna get more fun for someone addicted to speed..so that may be all i cna do and thats a maybe right now due my C()NT of a manger from the aparmtnets i just moved from.. shes tyring to charge me a extra 125$ for a stain on the carpet... carpet that was replaced... and even if i hadnt got a dog pee stian on it was so worn out chunks came out on vacumming.... i feel so ripped.
if anyone wants to donate a NX nitrous(or any other brand) kit htough lemme know
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:here: GodSpeed; keep us updated on your research and what you end up doing.
There is not enough straight roads around here to open up a stock GSXR 1000, my less a 400hp turbo bike. Die a little faster. (sound like a 007 flick) :lol:
I agree if money was no object than look out.
Turbo for a bike is just not for me.
I like to go fast but I like to do it in a corner. :wink:
There is not enough straight roads around here to open up a stock GSXR 1000, my less a 400hp turbo bike. Die a little faster. (sound like a 007 flick) :lol:
I agree if money was no object than look out.
Turbo for a bike is just not for me.
I like to go fast but I like to do it in a corner. :wink:
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If you are really interested in turbos, you should go to www.suzukihayabusa.org and take a look. Go to the turbotech thread and read all about them.
Then, email Dennis (The Motorhead) and ask him any questions that you might have. He is located outside Cleveland, Ohio and is recognised as one who knows.
He has done many turbos and stands behind his work.
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lso, his ghetto system is designed to run on pump gas and with a stock engine.
On a Hayabusa, his ghetto system will produce 320 hp. Of course, he also runs some bigger turbos. Currently, he is aiming for 600+ hp.
Then, email Dennis (The Motorhead) and ask him any questions that you might have. He is located outside Cleveland, Ohio and is recognised as one who knows.
He has done many turbos and stands behind his work.
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lso, his ghetto system is designed to run on pump gas and with a stock engine.
On a Hayabusa, his ghetto system will produce 320 hp. Of course, he also runs some bigger turbos. Currently, he is aiming for 600+ hp.
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I agree with fasterbusa. Dennis Stedman.:aka"motorhead" is the authority on motorcycle turbo systems. give him a call and get some prices. he has whats called a ghetto kit for busas. basically a budget system without sacrificing reliability and he may have similar setups for other makes of bikes. he has most gsxr's covered already.
but on another note an early model gixxer 1000 with some headwork,cams,full exhaust(BDE or Akro), and a power commander will get you really close to the 200hp you want and still be under the $4,000+ you'll spend on a turbo. call me old fashioned but i still like pure all motor hp cause when ppl ask me in person it's completely stock other than exhaust!! :redevil:
but on another note an early model gixxer 1000 with some headwork,cams,full exhaust(BDE or Akro), and a power commander will get you really close to the 200hp you want and still be under the $4,000+ you'll spend on a turbo. call me old fashioned but i still like pure all motor hp cause when ppl ask me in person it's completely stock other than exhaust!! :redevil:
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Gas-- i dont have a mortgage to re-do.. i have roomates cuz im 21 and make 11.28 an hour...lol
But if i get the police job that im going through the hiring process for now.. look out ill have the fast bike east of Cal and west of Denver.....thne ill keep roomates another year just to get $6K into my bike's motor.
But if i get the police job that im going through the hiring process for now.. look out ill have the fast bike east of Cal and west of Denver.....thne ill keep roomates another year just to get $6K into my bike's motor.
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Hey there Chris and the rest of the WOS gang!
You know how it is...lurk, lurk, lurk.
The best thing about going the route of the Ghetto turbo that Dennis handles is the ultimate cost savings. Don't forget, this is all done on an internally stock engine.
Pipes, dyno time, Pistons and other internal mods, more dyno time, cams, degreeing and timing, more dyno time and so on. All of this can be enjoyable, entertaining and costly to the bike owner.
However, for $3999 (don't worry, you can spend more on extras or larger components) you can start with a stock bike and eliminate all of the other expenses and just increase your hp farther, easier and cheaper with something like the Ghetto turbo kit.
Now, one can go the engine buildup route and make even more hp, but the turbo is the simpliest and cheapest way to go.
Of course, most of us start out the other way, pipes and boxes and dyno time and ... ....
At least give Dennis a call if only to become more aware of your possible choices.
You know how it is...lurk, lurk, lurk.
The best thing about going the route of the Ghetto turbo that Dennis handles is the ultimate cost savings. Don't forget, this is all done on an internally stock engine.
Pipes, dyno time, Pistons and other internal mods, more dyno time, cams, degreeing and timing, more dyno time and so on. All of this can be enjoyable, entertaining and costly to the bike owner.
However, for $3999 (don't worry, you can spend more on extras or larger components) you can start with a stock bike and eliminate all of the other expenses and just increase your hp farther, easier and cheaper with something like the Ghetto turbo kit.
Now, one can go the engine buildup route and make even more hp, but the turbo is the simpliest and cheapest way to go.
Of course, most of us start out the other way, pipes and boxes and dyno time and ... ....
At least give Dennis a call if only to become more aware of your possible choices.
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Scott...that's ok...you get my point!! Good luck with that cop hiring process...it's ruff, my bro has been dealing with it for like a year and a half...
FBusa... Yeah, I understand...but I don't do it... :lol:
Some would argue that you'll be faster with chassis & suspension upgrades over engine/hp upgrades!!
FBusa... Yeah, I understand...but I don't do it... :lol:
Some would argue that you'll be faster with chassis & suspension upgrades over engine/hp upgrades!!
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Gas- with my bike the chasis upgrades would all be custom and experimental.. and the Z1000 isnt the bike to dump money into for a track bike.. id go to a Zx10R for that....
Eventual goal for the Z is drag and stunt bike. with a 10R to play on.. for now i think im gonna regear my 500 ultra low and stunt it to learn on a bike i can drop and not cry over.
Eventual goal for the Z is drag and stunt bike. with a 10R to play on.. for now i think im gonna regear my 500 ultra low and stunt it to learn on a bike i can drop and not cry over.
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