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The price of gasoline is a mystery to me. The entire crude oil market is based on speculation. Speculation that OPEC may cut production, speculation of further unrest in the Middle East, speculation of weather. What not speculatory is that it all leads to the American consumer shelling out (no pun intended) more $ at the pump.

I'm hearing the refineries we have are 40 years old and none have been built since. Is that true. You mean the refineries built in 1950 were constructed with the forethought that they needed to be able to handle demand 40 years down the road? I highly doubt that.

If it's not one thing it's another. Crude oil production is cut or limited, prices go up. Refineries are down or shut down (hurricane) and the price goes up. Funny part is that it never goes down. The big oil companies have price conditioned the American consumer into thinking $2.20 a gallon is a good deal (if we ever see that again). And, it IS in some parts of the world. But not in this part of the world.

Comparing gas prices to other parts of the world is a ludicrous and asinine comparison. Prices and fairness are based on historical data, not what other citizens in other parts of the world pay. If you want to use that skewed logic, why not talk about the Middle East countries where gas costs are less than $1 a gallon. Don't hear much about that do you?

But, I'm not expert. All I know is what I hear on the TV, radio and read in the paper. I now hear the U.S. Govt may release some oil from the Strategic reserves. That's great, that would have solved last week's problem - low supply, high demand. Let's see, this week they're saying it's the refineries. Why do I get a feeling no matter what the "problem" is, there will always an excuse, er, reason. Mr. Exxon will always be one step ahead.

So, I'm part of the problem. I'll continue to use gas as I always have. Our society and my life is built around fossil fuels. I like my big truck and I will drive it. This isn't to say I'm happy when it costs $80 to fill it, but I'll be damned the day I buy I an econobox to save a few bucks on gas. The environmentalists can drive their electric cars and ride bicycles to work; I'll try not to come to close to you when I speed by in my air conditioned land barge. ;) And, when I'm not in my gas guzzling 15MPG beast I'll be on my bike. There's never been a better time to ride a motorcycle.

Enough of my meaningless rant. For those that say I have no right to complain about gas prices because I drive a big truck, I say you're wrong. I'll continue to drive it and I'll continue to complain. Go plug in your toxic batteries to the wall outlet that provides electricity from a power plant that burns coal or produces radioactive Uranium. Yeah, that's much better. :2cents:
 

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I laugh at those bitching about gas prices. Everyone seems to think they have or know the solution. Point fingers at those driving large trucks and praise those driving hybrids etc. Its all funny. Hybrids may get better mileage but cost more and the break point is usually after 3 years (point where majority trade in and get another vehicle). So the savings in gas does not necessarily outweigh the extra cost for the vehicle. By 2011 some of the larger trucks (ex. Silverado) are suppose to achieve 27 MPG with newer engine technology of shutting cylinders down when not needed. So those Land Barges are not necessarily as bad as people play them off to be.
The following is a break down of where the cost of gas goes (which I was unaware of the distribution).


The following are interesting facts as well:
Aggressive driving (speeding, rapid acceleration and braking) wastes gas. It can lower your gas mileage by 33 percent at highway speeds and by 5 percent around town.

Gas mileage decreases rapidly at speeds above 60 mph.
Each 5 mph you drive over 60 mph is like paying an additional $0.15 per gallon for gas.

Avoid keeping unnecessary items in your vehicle, especially heavy ones. An extra 100 pounds in your vehicle could reduce your MPG by up to 2%. The reduction is based on the percentage of extra weight relative to the vehicle's weight and affects smaller vehicles more than larger ones. (another good reason to encourage your lady to stay slim! Just kidding ladies!)
 

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I don't have a solution, but it seems we may need some more refineries? But, what do I know?

I think we all have the right to bitch about gas prices. It has a trickle-down effect as well. It costs the mailmail more to deliver your mail, UPS, FedEx... It costs more to fly, more to gas up the garbage truck that hauls away your trash... more to fuel the firetrucks, police cars and ambulances that provide critical services. I could go on and on, but in the end higher gas prices get passed on to you in more places than at the pump: taxes, higher fees, etc.
 

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Voodoo Economics

Though I used the term 'trickle down', it wasn't meant as a reference to Ronald Reagan economic model.

Call it what you want, but in the end we all pay more. Here are just a few examples of fuel surcharge policies in place:

DHL
FedEx
UPS
Int'l Air Cargo
American Airlines Air Cargo
British Airways

It's difficult to take a political issue and have a non-political debate, but I'm not here to argue politics.
 

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Lets not forget about you trips to Wal-Mart and other markets. The products you buy have to be shipped to the stores by truck and rail. As the fuel prices rise. The cost of shipping rises.

I recently raised my fuel surcharge to offset the expense of fuel. It will trickle down to the consumer that buys the products I deliver.
 

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2 gas stations when I just ran to the post office selling for $2.579!!!!, CONSIDERABLY cheaper than many othe rlocations I passed today. Although the station where I try to normally gas up near my house (Mobil) is at the same it was yesterday, $2.659. But the Costco (membership discount warehous) was at $2.40 at lunch time.
 

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I was checking out http://www.phoenixgasprices.com/
Looks like one shop is up to 2.99 a gallon for regular unleaded.
My brother filled up his Mazda Sunday night, San Jose, at 2.89 a gallon. By Monday night, the SanFransico area had fuel at 3.25.:yikes:
I got a phone call about it , he was glad he filled up a day early. I am just going to keep an eye out on the rates and hope that is gets cooler so I can ride more. Sux being in gridlock at 114 degrees.
 

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Crap Ace... I was on 24 today in your neck of the woods and passed many gas stations that were at $2.999 a gallon for regular 87. Along with the gas stations around my house! That is nearly a 50 cent hike from yesterday!! Absolutely un-called for!!
 

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Crap Ace... I was on 24 today in your neck of the woods and passed many gas stations that were at $2.999 a gallon for regular 87. Along with the gas stations around my house! That is nearly a 50 cent hike from yesterday!! Absolutely un-called for!!

:scratch: Was that a case of turrets GM? My mobil now at $2.70 (as of 7:30pm) and apparently the Speedway stations I saw at $2.57 had not changed their signs. But I have seen gas from $2.70 all the way to $2.95.
 

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I was checking out http://www.phoenixgasprices.com/
Looks like one shop is up to 2.99 a gallon for regular unleaded.
My brother filled up his Mazda Sunday night, San Jose, at 2.89 a gallon. By Monday night, the SanFransico area had fuel at 3.25.:yikes:
I got a phone call about it , he was glad he filled up a day early. I am just going to keep an eye out on the rates and hope that is gets cooler so I can ride more. Sux being in gridlock at 114 degrees.


Having friends and family in Bay Area also, I gues I cant complain too much about az prices, although they are getting to be a bit rediculous.
 

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Oil companies will post record profits again next quarter :crazy:
Americans voted for leadership friendly to big oil, time to pay the piper :dthumb:
 

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:scratch: Was that a case of turrets GM? My mobil now at $2.70 (as of 7:30pm) and apparently the Speedway stations I saw at $2.57 had not changed their signs. But I have seen gas from $2.70 all the way to $2.95.
They were on 24 heading north from Elizabeth lake rd. AND THEY SUCK!!
 

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1 US gallons = 3.7854118 litres

Prices in Sydney Australia as at 31 Aug 05, approx $1.25AS a litre
= $4.74AS / US Gallon

1 Australian Dollar = 0.74830 US Dollar

=$3.54US / US Gallon

Maximum price in country areas, around $1.35AS a litre
Someone pass the KY


Chuck
 

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Yesterday there was one station reported at 2.99. Today there are ten at 2.99 and two over 3 bux.(these are just the ones reported) The panic set in last night as people flocked to gas stations to fill up with the 'cheaper' gas before the price hikes. This has gas stations all over the valley empty and closed. I passed four closed gas stations last night. Two were packed this morning and my co-workers confirmed other closed/empty gas stations on the way into work today. Panic like this is just going to cause headaches and further the gouging at some stations.
Damned glad I ride 2 wheels!
I may spring for one of them 50cc, 70+mpg scooters soon... at least one of my daughters will drive it if I don't.
My oldest and my wife both have V8 guzzlers... poor kid is now working just to afford her Jeep. :)
Anyone else?
 

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Its getting a bit nuts. Local radio station had people calling in and confirming prices of regular gas around the Detroit Area. One caller reported on the East side a station was charging $3.44 for regular! Good thing Michigan begins investigating for price gouging today and procutes those found guilty.
I did however have honor on the way home from Airport of paying $2.999 (well actually I never see the bill, company does, but still sucks) My fear is now they are gonna wanna jack my PUC rates!
 
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