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Elders on their death beds were being carried to the polls to vote before they die. No real positive change happens over night; never has. If this doesn't make you proud, or at least help you understand what it means to the people, then nothing will. You have a minority of Sunni that obviously don't want to lose the power and wealth they had under Saddam. They are the insurgents, however, from what I've seen around 20% of them have voted.



It could end up being a higher percentage turnout than we had.

World Leaders Praise Iraqi Vote
Monday, January 31, 2005

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BERLIN — World leaders said Monday that Iraqis handed a defeat to terrorism by voting in large numbers in landmark weekend elections, but their welcome was tinged with concern over the low turnout among the Sunni Arab minority.

"It is an initial victory for the Iraqi people and it is a first important step which was indispensable for democracy and for the political process," French Foreign Minister Michel Barnier (search) told Europe-1 radio. "When democracy is there, when people express themselves at the ballot box, it is always a defeat for terrorism."

Iraq's electoral commission said it believed, based on anecdotal information, that turnout among the estimated 14 million eligible voters was higher than the 57 percent that had been predicted, although it would be some time before any precise turnout figure was confirmed.

"The Iraqis deserve great recognition for the will they have shown to shape the future of their country peacefully and democratically, despite massive intimidation," said Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer (search) of Germany, which, like France, opposed the U.S.-led war in 2003 to oust Saddam Hussein but supported Sunday's elections as a way out of the violence.

In Brussels, the European Union's foreign policy chief said Iraq's move toward democracy would pay off in the provision of more aid.


"They are going to find the support of the European Union, no doubt about that, in order to see this process move on in the right direction," Javier Solana (search) told The Associated Press. Areas where the EU is looking to help include drafting a new constitution and training the judiciary and security forces, he said.

Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi (search) expressed the elections would help spread democracy in Arab countries.

Speaking on state radio, Berlusconi described Sunday's election as "a vote that is certainly something new not just in Iraq, but also in the whole region where Iraq will become influential, a factor of change and democracy for all the other countries."

"This vote can have a positive knock-on effect in all the other Arab countries where there is authoritarian rule, where the situation of women is not one of liberty or dignity, where there are still many steps to make to emerge from the Middle Ages," Berlusconi said.

Still, leaders worried about the low turnout among the Sunni Arab minority, who held a privileged position under Saddam Hussein, and some governments urged authorities to ensure Sunnis were included in the nation-building process.

"The most difficult task lies ahead — to make sure the results of the elections have a stabilizing effect on the situation in the country," the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

Russia's President Vladimir Putin (search), another opponent of the war, also praised the elections Monday, calling them "a step in the right direction and a positive event," according to the ITAR-Tass news agency.

Fischer noted that, once a new government is formed, the next move will be to draw up a new Iraqi constitution.

"It is of decisive importance in this to integrate all political, ethnic and religious groups in Iraq," he said in a statement. "Neither violence nor refusing to talk offer a way out of the crisis — at the same time, no part of the population must be excluded from shaping the common fate of all Iraqis."

In New Zealand, Foreign Minister Phil Goff echoed that view.

"Sunni Arabs make up 20 percent of the population and Sunni extremists are at the core of the insurgency," he said. "Ways must be found to involve Sunnis in the drafting of the constitution, which will define power among Iraq's disparate groups, and to give them a stake in the new government."

The vote was to elect a 275-member National Assembly and lawmakers in 18 provincial legislatures. Once results are in, it could take weeks of backroom deals before a prime minister and government are picked by the new assembly.

Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, said it was encouraged by Sunday's turnout among Iraqis.

"Their active participation despite the very difficult situation reflects a commendable determination to decide their own destiny ... and sovereignty in establishing a democratic Iraq," a Foreign Ministry statement said.

In neighboring Malaysia, Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi (search), who chairs the 57-nation Organization of the Islamic Conference (search), said he was "very sad" about a series of attacks that accompanied Sunday's voting. At least 44 people died in suicide and mortar attacks on polling stations, including nine suicide bombers.

"At the time the election is being held, people are still dying," Abdullah told reporters. "There doesn't seem to be any real way of stopping it."

However, Abdullah expressed hope that the poll results would be "credible enough to enable the government to draft a new constitution for Iraq."
 

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Yeah, I think it is great. I was a bit worried that noone would care, noone would vote, it would be a big joke... But nope, they are stepping up, and that is great.
 

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They had to worry about losing their lives by going to the polls. All we had to do was get in a car and drive over to ours, yet per capita they had a higher turnout. The Ted Kennedies and Kerrys will act like that silent, and territified, majority does not exist. They want their country and are tired in living in fear of the loudest 10% crazy Sunni bastards.
 

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With that purple ink on their fingures.. .at least they know who did not vote... and who does not care for the future of their country... :bash:

-and even who does not belong there...

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I think this was a great thing!! I'm telling you...if this works out Pres Bush will go down in history as a great man with a great vision. If it doesn't work and all of this goes down the tubes...he will be recorded in history as a large failure!!

But let's hope this thread doesn't get too sensative!!!
 

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I forgot to mention that you're right for once Pig! They're turn out, against possible death, is a showing of the people's great desire to move forward with the great cance that the American's have provided for them!
 

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I forgot to mention that you're right for once Pig! They're turn out, against possible death, is a showing of the people's great desire to move forward with the great cance that the American's have provided for them!
Right for once? You'd be hard-pressed to find where I've been wrong on any of this stuff.

Anyway, democracy is contagious, that's why this is so important. It gives the people a sense of responsibility in their own countries. Dictatorships haven't worked for over 200 years.

Still, most of the news agencies tilt left. . all you hear are about the insurgents, and how are soldiers and contractors are dying. Well, the insurgents are the Sunni minority, and even 20% of the Sunni showed up to vote. The 50+% that voted are the silent majority that thank Allah everyday that the U.S. and UK came in b/c nobody else sure as shyt was going to do it.

Bush said the elections would happen, and they happened. The EU is now more than eager to help with training, writing a Constitution, and provide rebuilding funds.

We will still have soldiers there for 14 months they're estimating.
 

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Sounds good to me...
 

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I didn't mean to be dickish, I'm just trying to stick to the facts, which I always try to do in these threads. I've never seen you disagree with me in a political thread, although most of the time you're holding a peace sign hoping we can all get along. . in the thread, but still bomb the shyt out of the fckers in the middle east. :rofl:
 

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Yeah, I try not to get too worked up in these political threads. We all know what happens when people do!!! :flush:

I sometimes agree with many sides but really I was just harrasin ya a bit.... :thumbs:
 

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There's a trend to the threads where people get worked up. That's all I'll say about that.

Anyway, back to the point. It's a proud day to be an American, and I'm sure a prouder day to be an Iraqi. :pat:
 

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I feel like we should be singing :leaving: :pat:
 

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The violence and insurgency in Iraq will stop when the people of Iraq stop it. We can't do it for them. We gave them their country back...it's up to them what happens now.
 

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pickle.of.doom said:
Yeah, I think it is great. I was a bit worried that noone would care, noone would vote, it would be a big joke... But nope, they are stepping up, and that is great.
my history teacher said that it was a better turn out then our own country they had 60% votes and our turnout isent anywere neer that
 

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There's a trend to the threads where people get worked up. That's all I'll say about that.

Anyway, back to the point. It's a proud day to be an American, and I'm sure a prouder day to be an Iraqi. :pat:
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:lol: I have to agree. I'm very liberal....VERY. and I have to agree, but I'm also with bumble...gotta wait and see.
 

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Pigface1 said:
There's a trend to the threads where people get worked up. That's all I'll say about that.

Anyway, back to the point. It's a proud day to be an American, and I'm sure a prouder day to be an Iraqi. :pat:
:withstupi twice today!!! :wtf: :D
 

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All it took to get elections was $300 billion of American tax payer money, 1300 dead American's :rant:
If Iraq sold all its oil reserves each Iraqi citizen would be worth $4.2 million :crazy: With these so called elections lets see who ends up with Iraqi oil $$$ Citizens of Iraq or American oil companies?
 

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awe..the sweet smell of controversy...:rolleyes:

very good points pig... what a testament to the human will, and to those that have helped them get to this point.
 
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